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if you double down and say we were right to give you that 1. 9 trillion covid relief and we are not responsible for the inflation. we re not responsible for the record crime. we re not responsible for the record border crisis in history and double down on your policies and you don t change anybody, nobody s opinions of you will change. martha: it s clear that the folks in charge of policy are digging in their heels. they re not moving on anything. it looks at this point like it may not happen until after the mid-terms. we ll see who wins these battles in the white house and beyond. mark pen, good to see you, sir. marc thiessen, great to have you with us. immigration a hot issue in election season as president biden s decision to end title 42 gets pushed back from democrats and republicaning and folks that are on the president s door

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