welcome back to hardball. we have mark pen here. he is a former white house advisor in the administration. you re the president and you ve had to buckle to only cuts in domestic programs? that you treasure as a democrat? no increases of taxes, even for the very wealthy. and just put up with this, playing in the other guy s sand box for weeks now. how do you win on that one? well, it s a mess right now. when you look at the president s numbers, they ve been sinking. he s got to come out with a win here. and a win for him frankly is a deal in which the budget is cut, in which taxes are not part of it, and he gets it out of the election season. if he does that, then the
leading democrats are conducting strategy sessions with the president on how he can use the right words to maximize this event. lay this near palin when had nothing to do with it, yet leading democrats hoped for this. interesting conspiracy theory, isn t it? if you re a con spear tall nut, i guess so. mark pen was on this program, how if anything like that were to happen, how the president could be a peacemaker. like clinton was after oklahoma city. not how the left could get after the right, but how to calm things down. it was a totally different proposal. it wasn t a conspiracy plan. like rushbo is alleging for his
you re welcome back any time. mark is director at the southern poverty law center. tell me about this case when you heard about it and your professional reaction on the shootings in tucson. well, of course, the first reaction was it was a horror show. to listen to limbaugh quoted on your show saying that democrats hoped for this. hoped for the murder of you know, six people and wounding after 14 others, fairly amazing statement. my reaction was to go and look and try and disearn from what writings were out there from this fellow, what his motives may have been. if he was a political actor, certainly a political act in the sense that he killed a politician or tried to murder a politician. and you know, in looking through that material, really, the
arizona and lo and behold, leading democrats are conducting strategy sessions with the president on how he can use the right words to maximize this event. lay this near palin when had nothing to do with it, yet leading democrats hoped for this. interesting conspiracy theory, isn t it? if you re a con spear tall nut, i guess so. mark pen was on this program, how if anything like that were to happen, how the president could be a peacemaker. like clinton was after oklahoma city. not how the left could get after the right, but how to calm things down. it was a totally different proposal. it wasn t a conspiracy plan.
thank you for coming on hardball. you re welcome back any time. mark is director at the southern poverty law center. tell me about this case when you heard about it and your professional reaction on the shootings in tucson. well, of course, the first reaction was it was a horror show. to listen to limbaugh quoted on your show saying that democrats hoped for this. hoped for the murder of you know, six people and wounding after 14 others, fairly amazing statement. my reaction was to go and look and try and disearn from what writings were out there from this fellow, what his motives may have been. if he was a political actor, certainly a political act in the sense that he killed a politician or tried to murder a politician. and you know, in looking through that material, really, the conclusion is yes, clearly, this