for something else. one of the warships that happened at snake island, when the russians demanded ukrainian soldiers surrender or be bombed and the ukrainian soldier said this. [ bleep ] i want to bring in cnn military analyst, lieutenant general mark hurtling, good to see you. thank you so much for joining us. good to see you, don. cnn is still trying to verify what happened to this warship. what would it mean if ukraine did hit this ship? it would be a pretty good tactical victory, don. we re talking about first of all, the ukrainian intelligence service reported it first in terms of striking it with a neptune missile. now, a neptune is a ukrainian developed land-based antiship missile. i don t think the russians knew that this was a capability to ukraine, and the fact that the ukrainians were reporting it first and then it was only later that russia claimed that there was a fire in one of their
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authority. cuccinelli has said the conversation never developed to the point of talking about an executive order. cnn has also learned that another top aide to former vice president mike pence, greg jacob, is meeting with the january 6th committee today. the other aid, marc short, pence s chief of staff, gave an interview to the committee last week. let s talk about this now with former federal prosecutor, retired army lieutenant general mark hurtling, cnn military analyst and cnn senior political analyst john avlon, who once worked for rudy giuliani when he was new york mayor. welcome to all of you. and john, let s start with you. and this i mean, we first learned that rudy giuliani was at the head of this fake elector scam. now he s going to cuccinelli and saying, hey, can you lead up this seizure of voting machines? just how integral he is to this broad scam to try to steal the election. he seems to have been completely integral. donald trump was using him as
preparing many contingencies in case this does happen, including warning american companies about the possibility, telling them to remain vigilant against possible russian hacking threats. they say there is no direct impact or threat to the home lanld at this moment, but that is something they are mindful of going forward as well as the safety of americans currently in ukraine, urging them to get out of the country this weekend. arlette saenz, nic robertson, alex marquardt thanks to all of you. let s talk further with the former new york times southeast asia bureau chief and the executive director of the red lines project. and he s also the author of a red line in the sand: diplomacy, strategy, and the history of wars that might still happen. also joining us, lieutenant general mark hurtling, a cnn military analyst and a former army commanding general, europe, and 7th army. good to see you both.
a pretty good job of it. both in kyiv where many of our colleagues have been for many weeks. i m told the streets are calm, people are out and about. i m here in central ukraine. it is 3:00 in the morning, but this was friday night. and all night long, john, people were out. they were in the shops. they were in the cafes. they were walking around. people are acting as if everything is normal. i spoke to a number of folks who said that they are not thinking about russia. they asked me why would i even be thinking about something like that. so it is not top of mind. but, john, that could, of course, change very quickly the moment russia crosses ukraine s borders. alex, stay safe, my friend. thank you so much for being with us tonight. perspective now from cnn military analyst and retired army lieutenant general mark hurtling and also steve hall who served as the cia s director of russia operations. general, you ve heard our reporting. the united states is sending more troops to polan