discipline. maria: it s not his natural proclivity. lisa: sticking on this topic, one republican congressman says the mural probe is dragging on and he wants attorney general jeff sessions to take action. congressman matt gaetz of florida made the remarks in a recent interview. listen. i don t think there is time for jeff sessions to do the right thing to. call in bob mueller and say where are we. is there evidence of collusion to justify the continuation of the investigation. if there is, i think 14 months into the trump presidency we should know it if there s not, let s go ahead and wrap this thing up. he has recused himself he wouldn t be the one to do that right? it would be rod rosenstein that would do that, right? i believe that recusal is not required under the law and i believe it could be rescinded. lisa: should he rescind the recusal and fire mueller. jeff sessions? the fundamental problem is jeff sessions himself. the president appointed an
of some of the trump rhetoric, trump administration rhetoric. harris: i don t think that s what is driving the fear. maria: it s driving some of it they say. harris: where some politicians go and try to figure out aspect what they want to fight not based on facts. here are facts, you don t have to answer any question on the census. when you answer you better be honest. they can prosecute you if you lie. only question they expect to you answer is how many people are in your house there are going to be a lot of questions on that census guide. skip the ones you don t want to answer. that s what lawyers are saying. dagen: by the way i know this firsthand. this isn t a political talking point. census bureau workers because i was in the household survey used to calculate the unemployment rate three years ago. the census worker who showed up at my apartment was telling me very hard to count immigrants in this country, even legal immigrants because they will never open the door. it is
so, if i was the president, i would take heed looking at that specific instance and be very, very concerned and very, very cautious. and i certainly wouldn t talk to robert mueller and his team unless i absolutely had to. why would you? who cares about the optics. martha: the president may maria: he may not legally have a choice to sit down. harris: why wouldn t he have a choice at this point. maria: i don t think they will legally compel him but he can be. there is a precedent for sitting down with special counsel. harris: how did that go? lisa: who cares about the political optics in this one though. maria: i think president trump does. it s only a perjury trap if the president doesn t tell the truth. and we know, as you said, sometimes he has a tendency to exaggerate and many politicians do. if he goes in there and tells the truth. harris: i will put it the way that judge andrew napolitano put it. he says sometimes the president does not use an
maria. dagen: you mentioned iran, guess who is awash in money because of the iranian nuclear deal so, again, to keep people to keep some troops in syria as a counter weight to the growing influence of iran. maria: when it comes to syria, yes, russia and iran will be the two countries mainly that fill the power vacuum if and when the united states leaves. syria as lisa said is more than isis. we have to define what american interests is there. we should not bring our troops home until isis is complete. russian and iranian troops intel and money all over it. if we pull out, our adversaries will come in. and that is a strategic problem in the heart of the middle east. harris: so, congressman, though there is a fine line between staying and getting the job done. my brain almost broke. i remember a time when you were on a team, maria, that saw this as a jv. we are also the ones that
attorney general who pretty much on day one recused himself and as long as jeff sessions is the attorney general, this problem will continue because rod rosenstein is running the place. jeff sessions is there in name only. lisa: what about just the premise of it though? should he rescind his recusal and it should never have been put in place in the first place to. pull the plug, everybody will prematurely. i m more with trey gowdy on this one. you got to let this thing play out. i hope mr. mueller feels the pressure and understands this country has a lot of business to get on to. if we are going to go after somebody for tax evasion for somebody who, you know, was fired from a campaign, come on, let s get on with the business of the united states of america. if you don t have enough evidence, wrap it up and move on. lisa: maria, what do you make of that?