i think perhaps you re right. he certainly had academic patter down a lot better than a lot of them did. to me, and i grew up in massachusetts, paul ryan is the biggest fake i ve ever seen in politics. i mean, nobody s close. if he s not doing this, you know, phony wonk thing, you know, where he s he s putting together his budgets with magic asterisks, he s going down the old jack kemp fwral how he cares about poor folks. paul ryan cares about one thing and only one thing shoving as much wealth up to the very, very top of the food chain and making sure it doesn t trickle back down again. that s the summation of paul ryan s legacy. that s a much clearer through line than deficits and debt i think. look at what he s done. although there is something that is interesting in his career, ruth, which is the ryan budget. i think that s the place where in some ways he got put in
know, phony wonk thing, you know, where he s he s putting together his budgets with magic asterisks, he s going down the old jack kemp trail about how he cares about poor folks. paul ryan cares about one thing and only one thing shoving as much wealth up to the very, very top of the food chain and making sure it doesn t trickle back down again. that s the summation of paul ryan s legacy. that s a much clearer through line than deficits and debt i think. of you said look at what he s done. although there is something that is interesting in his career, ruth, which is the ryan budget. i think that s the place where in some ways he got put in charge and he was too honest about his vision. in some ways it was a high point for honesty. in 2010, 2011, 2012, yeah, we want to cut we want to voucherize medicare. that was one of the big ideas. we want to cut a lot of
is it going to be offset by massive cuts. you heard what steven just said, do you think this plan is realistic? no, of course not. all we re missing is a call to eliminate waste, fraud and abuse, and we ll pay for his programs with that. i would note that this budget is not a real budget, and that they re just putting magic asterisks in for the tax plan for the repealing of obama care. they re not even trying to get the numbers to add up. i think this is more of a political document. and that s okay. the budget comes out of congress. so the presidential guj ets are always more of a messaging document than they are an actual budget document. that is the most extreme it s ever been from what donald trump s about to outline. let s drill down on this. you can respond to what he said. the treasury secretary says the
waste, fraud and abuse, i would like to see them try it, what do you think is going to happen. i guarantee you. the white house office of management and budget. said that the budget outline doesn t take into account revenue projections from promised tax cuts or added spending on infrastructure, does in a make a difference? yes, because those are both things that are going to lose tremendous amounts of funding. that s my point, they re using magic asterisks. we re going to wave our hands and tell you that the budget will add up, and we re not even counting how much we re going to cut revenue for massive tax cuts that we re pausching. thank you, steve. thank you, austan. to be continued. we ll be watching tomorrow night. sorry to hear about the loss of your family, thank you for coming on this evening. and we respect your dad and thank you for his service. steven lost his father in chicago, and he was kind enough
true also that donald trump is tack alg big one in obamacare. if we can t get some of the excesses of obamacare out of the way, how are we going to deal with national security? and the increase in defense spepdi spending is going to be offset in nondefense spending. do you think this plan is realistic? no, of course not. the only thing we re missing is the call to eliminate waste and abuse. i would note this budget is not a real budget and they re just putting magic asterisks in for the tax plan, for the repealing of obamacare. they re not even trying to get the numbers to add up. i think is more of a political document and that s okay. as you know the budget comes out of congress. so the presidential budgets are