iraq and syria. and they re coming home and they know what they re doing. and above all, they know how to work explosives. and it s not easy to do to make them all go off. so i think we re seeing more blow fwak from these wars there. you said it looks like paris. there s 130 people dead. it appears there s one policeman dead and some of the attackers have been killed. so at this point, is it possible to know how this was different in jakarta to pace. they were on high alert. from their perspective, it s a matter of luck, how much damage they do. the indonesian police are very good. there were certainly rumors
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seeing from jakarta, it does seem to be a substantial blast. there are some reports who say there s a mass i explosion, which would seem to be at odds with the police explanation here that a number of grenades were used in this attack. i m wondering is there any way at this point to clarify what s going on here. from what i see, it does not look like it was a major blast. the police spokesman said grenades were used in this attack. it was a police outpost there was targeted. so you don t see a lot of damage. it s in front of it s right in the middle of the intersection. so none of the buildings around it have been damaged. from what i see. it is not a major blast in terms, i think, of the explosives used at the police said.
have you with us at this time to give us vital insight and perspective as to what s playing out right now in jakarta. we appreciate it. and do stand by with us. we may well ask you to join us again to give us more perspective for cnn security and intelligence analyst, bob baer. very interesting what he is saying there, that it looks, it smells like isis. and ultimately, you know, this is a region where, you know, they re growing fast. it may look like isis and it could very well be isis, and there are a number of reports out there that this is linked to isis in some way, but at this point, there s no official claim of responsibility. and no official came out publicly to say they believed this is linked to isis .but as bob pointed out, it does have the hallmarks very similar to the attacks carried oit in paris in december. this time, though, the death toll appears to be standing at four. one policeman and three possibly attackers. but it is an ongoing situation.
i hear people, parents, for example, worrying about their kids in school. do they bring them home? do they stay put where they are? or do they head home and just stay there? so, you know, what i can confirm is that yes, there is now a very it s a city here that is certainly on the edge. john? absolutely. kathy, thank you. kathy quia giving us the latest from jakarta. police move into ald being where one gunman is holed up. we ll continue to follow this story out of jakarta. back in a moment. huh.