But they do need the right to be respected. I think they re living beings just like us, and so they should be understood as much as we possibly can understand them. We shouldn t inflict needless pain on them, and we should curb some of our habits that cause them a lot of suffering. Peta, your organisation, people for the ethical treatment of animals, opposes what it calls speciesism and a, quote, human supremacist worldview. Can you sort of explain what that actually means? well, i think we have to get over ourselves as a species, as a human species. We ve sort of set ourselves up as gods, and we regard anyone that doesn t fit into the human species as sort of trash. I mean, as you said earlier, we might pet them, we might skin them. We decide. And yet animals are not like us, they are us. If we took elementary biology, we learned that we are one animal among many. It s a great, if you will, somebody said an orchestra of life, we each play a different instrument. That s rather romantic
Welcome to hardtalk. Thanks very much, stephen. Its a great pleasure to have you in the studio. Let me start by trying to establish a core principle. Is it your belief that animals should enjoy equal rights, the same rights as humans . Well, not the same rights, because, of course, they dont need the right to do some of the things we wish to do, like drive a car or vote, although they might do better than weve done sometimes. But they do need the right to be respected. I think theyre living beings just like us, and so they should be understood as much as we possibly can understand them. We shouldnt inflict needless pain on them, and we should curb some of our habits that cause them a lot of suffering. Peta, your organisation, people for the ethical treatment of animals, opposes what it calls speciesism and a, quote, human supremacist worldview. Can you sort of explain what that actually means . Well, i think we have to get over ourselves as a species, as a Human Species. Weve sort of s
Welcome to hardtalk. Im stephen sackur. We humans have a complicated relationship with animals. Some we pet, some we skin, some we eat. We destroy their wild habitats while we agonise about the loss of species diversity. It is not an equal relationship, its exploitative, but will it ever change . And if so, how . My guest is determined that it should. Ingrid newkirk is president and Co Founder of the Campaign Group people for the ethical treatment of animals. Is she the Human Ally Animals need . Ingrid newkirk, welcome to hardtalk. Ingrid newkirk, welcome to hardtalk. Thanks very much, stephen. Thanks very much, stephen. Its a great pleasure its a great pleasure to have you in the studio. To have you in the studio. Let me start by trying let me start by trying to establish a core principle. To establish a core principle. Is it your belief that animals is it your belief that animals should enjoy equal rights, should enjoy equal rights, the same rights as humans . The same rights as huma
That. This is the laymans most people, which is relatable to our audience. The establishment, these are the rules we created ape its and its been this way a long time. Regular guy, little guy, said times have changed, found a loophole, what you. According to your rules, you cant get mad at us. Its a reflection of whats happening in our larger culture, Larger Society right now as it comes to womens rights and me too and issues of race and equity and equality and all of that. Its like, people who have been there, the establishment whos been there for so long, the entitled, right, the people who, hey, look, were the wealthy, these are the rules, we want to live by and continue, and the underdog is saying no, no, no, we deserve a place as well and now this is the clash. So, hey, the rule thats whats happened. What i find interesting about it is i love that these people came together to prop something up. Now, you can say no, no, no, youre ascribing virtue where theres only value. You saw t
To us about it. Thank you for being with us to kind of give shape to this story, and well be watching it. All right . Thank you for having me. Taking the opportunity was your choice, and thank you. Thank you for watching. The big show, cnn tonight, with d lemon, starts right now. D, i have never seen anything like that before. Well, this is this is the laymans part of it because i just sort of look at, okay, this is what the 401 k is doing and the investment people are doing. But, this is the laymans part of it and i think most which is relatable to our audience. So the establishment has these are the rules we have created and its been this way for a long time. Then, all of a sudden, the little guy, the regular guy, says hey, times have changed. We found there is a loophole or what have you. You cannot get mad at us. So i think it is a reflection of what is happening in our larger culture, and the larger society, right now. As it comes to womens rights, and me too, and and issues of ra