but as you point out, very recently, that has started to change and i m not sure what the change is, if it s the sort of continued cycle of outrages and living in the past and relitigating 2020 where a lot of republicans are saying, this doesn t seem wise for the future, but we are in a moment here where maybe there s a tipping point that will come where he will lose that grip. now, you know, i wouldn t predict that. the bond is pretty strong, and americans are living in, like, separate media eco-systems. a lot of his strongest supporters are living on the fumes of his lies, but that has been a recent development worth watching. i mean, to be fair, been watching that for a number of years, right. the tipping point hasn t
seeing conflicting reports about where is he going and what he is doing. this will play itself out initially during the course of the day. pete: general, you are exactly right. we are getting a deluge of first reports which you alluded to are almost always wrong or incomplete as we continue through the morning we will refine and develop what s happening on the ground as there are missiles literally in the air right now. but you have mentioned what vladimir putin talks about. if you read the stage he gave justifying his launch of the military he talks a lot about world war ii. a lot about. steve: living in the past. pete: living in the past. in his mind, the way things are currently constructed on his borders is an insult to russia and that s the justification is he using. he said though, also, he is not interested in his statement at the same time our plans do not include the occupation of ukrainian territory. we can t believe that because his definition of an occupation might me
a nato member, should be relatively easy and quick for the united states and other nations to start delivering that, what it not? we should be doing it months ago, there allies, hungary, slovakia romania and poland. we should because vladimir putin prevents the cold war, he s living in the past and he has to confront the reality but he got away with it in 2014 and he thinks he s going to get away with it now but ukrainians, there are 44 million, they are only two generations away from the folks who took out the nazis. jon: there was some hesitation on the part of the u.s. and other countries to kick russia out of swift banking because of
extremely limited as joe has pointed out repeatedly. the economy there is about the size of texas, and considering their oil and natural gas reserves that is a pathetic performance. and so he is making he s historically minded. he has delusions of grandure, and in this self-drama of vladimir putin he is in line of the great czars that protected russia and expanded the empire. he is living in the past in so many ways, but the problem is that he does not live in a political realm. he doesn t live in the land in which congress or his advisors or economic interests or popular opinion impinge on him in a significant or decisive way, or not yet. david, do you believe as i do that this will prove to be a historic blunder given the size
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