physical world. at the end of it he said there are areas of the human spirit untrammelled by the physics. things of art, things of beauty. at the end of the day the light beckons ahead and the spirit surging within our natures respon respon responds. what he meant by that is there s a lot more to us than merely physics. even m theory, that there s something transcendent. human beings desire at the core of their being. larry: deepak, if people talk to a heavenly father and believe from that talk they get solace, so what? yes, nobody objects to that. on the other hand, as father spitzer said, human beings have a need for meaning. now, you know, leonard and stephen hawking in the book categorically state that this is a deterministic universe, that therefore, free will is an illusion. by saying that, they also imply
if nothing is outside of space time, it is actually not in space time. space time are an activity of that nothingness. behavior of that nothingness. as are all laws of nature, but the laws of nature are not inscribed somewhere in a book. they exist in the consciousness of mathematicians. no equation will ever make the universe work. the equations merely describe the behavior of the universe. so you know, when i think of mathematics i think of it actually as the language of god, and when i think of physicists, like leonard and stephen hawking, i think that s god explaining god to god using mathematics basically. and you know, stephen really acknowledged i think leonard will acknowledge, too, that there s a theory in mathematics called gordon s theorem which
made especially in logical determinism. larry: leonard, are you going to do a book with deepak? we re talking about that. yeah. larry: and the theme would be what? well, it would probably be something related to what we re talking about today. his point of view, i have my point of view. we thought discussion of that could be of interest to people. larry: let s assume, it s a fair assumption, the three of you are being interviewed by an idiot. can we assume there are three idiots sitting around the table trying to understand the universe? larry: i don t know. effective means of asking questions. i don t know. the first simple question, let s start with you, leonard. who created the nothing? how can something come out of nothing? where did the nothing come from? does there have to be a something a beginning? so around the turn of the 20th century, physicists started
if nothing is outside of space time, it is actually not in space time. space time are an activity of that nothingness. behavior of that nothingness. as are all laws of nature, but the laws of nature are not inscribed somewhere in a book. they exist in the consciousness of mathematicians. no equation will ever make the universe work. the equations merely describe the behavior of the universe. so you know, when i think of mathematics i think of it actually as the language of god, and when i think of physicists, like leonard and stephen hawking, i think that s god explaining god to god using mathematics basically. and you know, stephen really acknowledged i think leonard will acknowledge, too, that there s a theory in mathematics called gordon s theorem which
actually states very explicitly that no mathematical model will ever offer a complete explanation of what s going on, because gordon s theorem invokes almost a break from mathematical logic. leonard, would you say that? actually i would agree with almost everything you just said. okay. on the i would. with maybe some fine tuning of nature. but the one thing that i would have to think about is what you say about gordon s theorem. that applies to asimatic system. larry: meaning? meaning you state a few mathematical principles and derive everything using mathematics from those principles. that s not what science is. science is based on ideas that come from observation. larry: do you believe something happens to us when we die? i don t think what i you know, i don t think that what i