nobody wants to be leaked about. but i don t want to get ahead what we know here. i ve been in investigations where there were leak problems. and sometimes you have to have a leak strategy because your investigation is being damaged by likes. other times, you have what i regard as a corrupt endeavor by government officials to intentionally leak information in order to as e say tickle the wires, you have people who are under surveillance, put information out in the media, and you see how they react, who they speak to, et cetera. it s not a tactic that i think is a worthy one. but it does happen. so, i think we need to find out, i agree with professor dershowitz, what we need is disclosure, disclosure, disclosure. but i don t want to pounce on what we don t know. sean: we have two text messages that talk about a media leak strategy, congratulating each other over leaking about carter page and talking about further likes.
nobody wants to be leaked about. i don t want to get ahead of what we know. i have been in investigations where there were leak problems and sometimes you have to have a leak strategy because your investigation is being damaged by leaksment other times you have what i regard as a corrupt endeavor by government officials to intentionally leakin information to tickle the wires. s that to say, you have people under surveillance, you put information out in the media and you see how they act, who they speak to, et cetera. it s not a tactic that i think is a worthy one, but it does happen. we need to find out. i agree with professor dershowitz, we need disclosure. sean: they talk about a medit leak strategy and congratulate each other. let me ask this, professor.
talk about this is internally, we cannot go to the press every time you have a complaint of one of your colleagues. jonathan, that s great reporting. i want to thank you very much for getting it on msnbc so quickly. joining me now is laura bassett for t for t for the huffington post. lauren, what do you think? it is interesting the white house has these leak problems, you would have think they would have identified the leakers and gotten rid of them. half of the staff, 49% turnover at this point among trump s senior officials, they need to get to the bottom of these leaks because you know when you have a meeting where co-workers don t trust each other and people are looking zararound and afraid to speak, that creates a bad situation in a place like the white house. john, how can you get rid of
here, erin. we ve got to get to the bottom of this question through the special prosecutor who has significant tools of subpoena to interview witnesses and the senate intelligence investigation. the american public deserves an answer. what did russia do to cyber attack the american election and take it away from the american voters? what did the trump campaign transition and administration do, if anything, too cooperate with them? we have to get people answers to the question. and the other thing i ll say about leaks, i ve been a mayor and governor, i ve been the head of organizations, i m the head of a senate office. you get leaks when the organization is not well run. when people have confidence in leadership, you don t have leak problems. when people are really worried about leadership, you do have leak problems. so some of what you see with leaking is a reflection of deep concern within the organization about the administration. and that s a fact and a reality as well that we have
to the fullest extent of the law immediately. jesse: i m glad you don t want to throw journalists in jail. that warms my heart. richard, don t you think that the obama people are setting a very dangerous precedent here. that in transitions of power which are supposed to be peaceful. if you are leaving behind antagonist holdovers and people willing to break the law and leak classified information to undermine a president-elect. i mean, it was one thing for clinton people to rip a w off a keyboard in 2001. but this is serious stuff. don t you agree? yeah. jesse, the trump campaign had leak problems. his speech at the republican convention was leaked out. do you think that was obama holdovers? look, anybody who. jesse: what speech was leaked out beforehand? i think rerelease excerpts to the media beforehand so we can tease it up. to your viewers google trump campaign and leaks and