that s sondland or kurt volker. that s why you add george kent to this testimony. kent is in the meetings at the white house that taylor is only hearing about later. so if taylor s the guy taking us through the narrative of everything he has learned about this corrupt endeavor in ukraine led by rudy giuliani, george kent s the guy who can say, okay, well bill taylor was learning this in ukraine, here i was in this meeting where this was being discussed. the two while we have not seen kent s deposition transcript yet, we know from his opening statement, from other reporting, what he knows or at least what he was involved in. the two i think will complement each other nicely if you are trying to create a narrative here, which is of course what this is all about. democrats have the facts they want in these transcripts. they want to now convince the public. this is a production here that will go on wednesday morning to convince the public that what the president did was corrupt and deser
nobody wants to be leaked about. but i don t want to get ahead what we know here. i ve been in investigations where there were leak problems. and sometimes you have to have a leak strategy because your investigation is being damaged by likes. other times, you have what i regard as a corrupt endeavor by government officials to intentionally leak information in order to as e say tickle the wires, you have people who are under surveillance, put information out in the media, and you see how they react, who they speak to, et cetera. it s not a tactic that i think is a worthy one. but it does happen. so, i think we need to find out, i agree with professor dershowitz, what we need is disclosure, disclosure, disclosure. but i don t want to pounce on what we don t know. sean: we have two text messages that talk about a media leak strategy, congratulating each other over leaking about carter page and talking about further likes.
nobody wants to be leaked about. i don t want to get ahead of what we know. i have been in investigations where there were leak problems and sometimes you have to have a leak strategy because your investigation is being damaged by leaksment other times you have what i regard as a corrupt endeavor by government officials to intentionally leakin information to tickle the wires. s that to say, you have people under surveillance, you put information out in the media and you see how they act, who they speak to, et cetera. it s not a tactic that i think is a worthy one, but it does happen. we need to find out. i agree with professor dershowitz, we need disclosure. sean: they talk about a medit leak strategy and congratulate each other. let me ask this, professor.
case shouldn t go ahead against a foreign government but he cannot decide a case should be dropped to protect him or his son-in-law or shimself. that is a corrupt endeavor to interrupt an ongoing investigation, whether it s an investigation by the fbi, by a grand jury, or by the congress of the united states, a president who is not a king, who is not above the law simply cannot exercise the kinds of weeping powers that this memo claims. in fact the whole point of our revolution was to establish, among other things that no one is above the law. we don t have a king. we have a president, and the position that this president is taking is really inconsistent with the whole structure of our government. i think that is ultimately what may bring him down. but i m not ready to call for