today in this newfound quest to get grand jury material for the mueller case. there are notable similarities here as well as some differences and here to help us understand them is a member of the s.w.a.t team that got that watergate road map ultimately unsealed, joined by law fair ben wittis and joyce vance, former u.s. attorney. good to see you both. good to see you. hey, ari. hey, there. so ben, let s start with you, you were responsible for getting the road map unsealed for the public. it didn t take four decades for the judge to turn over the grand jury evidence so walk us through how you see all of this. right so as you said in your introduction, there s some substantial similarities. there are also some important differences between this situation and the unsealing of the road map, so the biggest difference is that in the case of the original road map, it was the prosecutor that wanted to turn it over to the congress and to the house judiciary committee and the house jud
you had mueller holding the line. is there something in the grand jury material that moves things, do you think? i suspect there s good information there. a lot of people kept saying in advance of the mueller hearing that they were looking for the movie version of the report, and it s clear mueller doesn t win any academy awards for best dramatic actor, but what happens here is the report is maybe a sleeper documentary in that academy awards hunt, and the grand jury material, prosecutors don t go into grand jury with the witness unless there s something important that they need to pin down, something important that they want to preserve, so not getting that full flavor means congress may be lacking some of the best evidence, the most sensitive information. if i were in congress, i would be demanding this material too. i expect it will be productive. we re almost out of time, but ben, to joyce s point, rarely do you see great method actors appearing under subpoena. i mean, there wer
segments, you know, important factual information in that report, and i do think that exercise was valuable for people who really want the full extended dance version, dramatic of the report, you know, we have a podcast called the report that s been trying to do exactly that. ben wittis, going right into the podcast plug. you know, rachel is a big podcast person, so i think you did that on the right show. she was very good to us last week. so you re in the right spot and i know as you mentioned, it s the report if people want to check that out. joyce vance, former u.s. attorney and professor at the university of alabama law school. appreciate both of your expertise tonight. thank you. thank you, guys. we have a lot more to get to and that breaking news out of the supreme court, which is next. limu emu & doug look limu. a civilian buying a new car. let s go.
advance of the mueller hearing that they were looking for the movie version of the report, and it s clear mueller doesn t win any academy awards for best dramatic actor, but what happens here is the report is maybe a sleeper documentary in that academy awards hunt, and the grand jury material, prosecutors don t go into grand jury with the witness unless there s something important that they need to pin down, something important that they want to preserve, so not getting that full flavor means congress may be lacking some of the best evidence, the most sensitive information. if i were in congress, i would be demanding this material too. i expect it will be productive. we re almost out of time, but ben, to joyce s point, rarely do you see great method actors appearing under subpoena. i mean, there were a lot of clues that mr. mueller was not going to give much of what some were hoping for. there sure were. so anybody who expected bob
exercise was valuable for people who really want the full extended dance version, dramatic of the report, you know, we have a podcast called the report that s been trying to do exactly that. ben wittis, going right into the podcast plug. you know, rachel is a big podcast person, so i think you did that on the right show. she was very good to us last week. so you re in the right spot and i know as you mentioned, it s the report if people want to check that out. joyce vance, former u.s. attorney and professor at the university of alabama law school. appreciate both of your expertise tonight. thank you. thank you, guys. we have a lot more to get to and that breaking news out of the supreme court, which is next. f out o the supreme court, which is next y managers might seem the same, but some give their clients cookie cutter portfolios. fisher investments tailors portfolios to your goals and needs. some only call when they have something to sell. fisher calls regularly so you s