that s what we have to do. laura: congressman, just so i m clear. you actually think the final bill that accompanies the rise in the debt ceiling is going to be stronger than the original boehner bill? i have got to fight for what s right. i didn t come back here to congress. laura: i would say that s a no? i have really got to fight for it i m not just going to go along with everybody else and say well you know we are going to gravitate. laura: i m playing devil s advocate here because it s an interesting conversation. it s moot now we have moved on. still, there are a lot of people concerned that john boehner is pretty grievously wounded politically after what happened and he obviously moved and compromised at the end more than he probably wanted to. he got the votes and now people still aren t happy. so, i guess there are a lot of people asking, you know, will you guys ever be happy? you don t have the senate. you don t have the white house yet. when you do i guess you can
economic storm that is not just brewing but is already out there. so, that is what has this white house especially spooked, you can guarantee is not just the short-term but the long-term. they are looking at what are the markets going to be like come monday if congress is still going through this vote-o-rama and nobody knows or sees some sort of compromise in sight. the markets on monday could take a battering. laura: i want to go back to bret baier. we are always curious about the players behind the scene. who is really driving the debate. i know it s probably not one person. people think john boehner has been deeply wounded by what happened within his own party. yet, he gave a very impassioned speech tonight after his bill passed. said basically you have to say yes at some point to something. really trying to get back in this game. is it mcconnell and reid s to play out here? will boehner be at the table and still have enough credibility to make his case? yes. i think speaker boe
injected in this bill and now it s in the hands. not going to pass. laura: shell vehicle, right? laura, the problem is that the balanced budget is not it s timing. there has never been a balanced budget amendment that could pass any congress when the republicans controlled congress they couldn t pass it. laura: i didn t say it was probable. i m talking about the tactical advantage and who is actually looking like they want structural form. we know alan and lanny, do we not that this president would never be talking about this issue of whether to raise the debt ceiling or not or whether to cut spending or not. he wouldn t be talking about this if it weren t for these republicans who held firm. do you disagree with that? i disagree with what the country is seeing in washington. not seeing what you are saying. they are seeing tactics at the expense of the public interest. and i think there is disgust with party leadership on both sides here, laura. and for them to bring up a b
sense. they were all about grover nor quest and his tea party was all about lowering taxes and cutting the spending. this is not what this tea party is about. they are standing there not comprehending that their actions are going to lead to consequences and these consequences could be horrific for the united states of america. laura: cathy, were you saying the consequences were going to be horrific for the united states of america when this president spent more in terms of adding to the debt in his first 19 months than president washington to reagan combined? was that a bad thing to the country or something to applaud. he inherited a horrific economy. laura: bush s fault. okay. raising this debt ceiling right now has nothing to do with when obama done. these are all debts that were acquired with our previous president. this has nothing to do. laura: responsible and adult. david and cathy you have on longer. crazy night here. thank you for joining us. really appreciate it. whe
vehicle and it would have had a chance, at least, of splitting some of these moderate democrats off from the majority ruling opinion that was to kill the boehner bill like mansion, and mark warner. without the balanced budget amendment. laura: now that the balanced budget amendment is in there do the house democrats have any pressure on them now to support this boehner bill except the pressure of time? well, as ed was laying out, it s not going to happen. they are going to try to craft their own compromise now which incorporates some elements of boehner, some elements of reid and see if it s something that everyone can coalesce around. what you are seeing here really two processes at once. one is the legislative gimmicky, the other is positioning themselves for default who gets blamed. laura: let s bring in special report host, of course, washington editor bret baier who has been following. this bret, look, the way this thing is playing out tonight, the senate gets this for o