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called andrew goodpaster. he was sort of a pullback supporter. they had this operation called operation solarium. the way he did it was he appointed three teams fred one was rollback, push eastern europe back even if it means war, and the other was isolationists, do nothing and let them take over the world, and of the center would be something akin to what we would call containment. although they didn t call it that. he put andrew goodpaster in charge of the containment team. because he knew that he d make undreamt would make sure that one. and indeed it did. host: rhetoric aside, was still make the goal of these administrations when it came to the soviet union? guest: i think short-term stomach, long-term and hope that the cold war would end. some residents were more serious about it than others. i think the dwight eisenhower and john kennedy and ronald reagan certainly were. they were not just content to say that this is just rhetoric, you know, privately come i think t

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