Put the finishing touches to nuclear bomb. Fast forward some 40 years and the same actors, the same powers are at loggerheads yet again, this time in the ukraine whos president earlier this year. And now hes countries intention to develop again, its nuclear military capability. What the americans look away yet again, if its worth to undermine moscow . Well, to discuss that, im now in joined by a sub dirani, former director general of pakistans Inter Services intelligence. Mister dirani, thank you very much for your time. Its a great honor for me to talk to you. Welcome, welcome. So now you were in charge of pakistans Intelligent Services in the early 1991, the soviet union collapsed and a few years before that, im sure youre witness that followed the so we pull out from afghanistan when he now here western analyst compared the current operation to current russian operation, ukraine to you know, the previous one in of gas done, and some of them, i think, predicting the consequences will