the state department. does your reporting and timeline suggest that that wasn t the whole truth? exactly. it definitely raises additional questions about exactly what mr. giuliani was up to at the time. we did talk to one source very familiar with the conversation between giuliani and tymoshenko, who said that giuliani was quote/unquote, trolling for business, but also, you know, had an interest in talking politics with tymoshenko. and at this time, you have to remember that tymoshenko was up in the polls. everyone thought she would win the presidential election. now, she s in the u.s. during this time period and she s meeting with a lot of different people, including sort of lower-level officials like kurt volcker who we know about, state department official george kent, and thrown in the mix is rudy giuliani. and so this definitely raises additional questions and sort of points to the fact that giuliani has perhaps talked about politics with ukrainian officials, things like aid,
investigation into ukraine election meddling in the 2016 election. we know a ukrainian court has ruled that they did, in fact, meddle in the 2016 against president trump. politico reported this in january 2017, before president trump was even sworn in that are you going i want to get you on the record president trump hold on! let s take turns. is that foreign interference? if you ever want to come back on this show, we have to take turns. just rules of the road. you re kind of doing a double mulvaney, you re saying, yes, this is part of it. that s what you needed from ukraine. it had nothing to do with biden. listen to what kurt volcker testified. he said biden wasn t even a topic of conversation. and if you re having a conversation, which if you can read the transcript, we all can, and you re talking about corruption, president zelensky brings up draining the swamp. you re talking about corruption, you re talking about ukraine. how does joe biden not get mentioned
and what republicans can ask them point-blank, if you were so alarmed, how come you didn t speak out or resign earlier? and there had been any reports prior to the whistle-blowers of bolton having any disagreements with the president in terms of his foreign policy relations can ukraine. one thing to keep in mind, as we really are beyond the point of waiting for some new witness to come out with some new bombshell information, we ve seen remarkably consistent testimony. kurt volcker, gordon sondland, alexander vindman, bill taylor, again and again, they re all telling the exact same story, eliminating all of the innocent explanations that this was not about anti-corruption efforts, this was not about u.s. national security, that there was a quid pro quo and it was about the president s political interests. i want everybody to stand by. we ll have a lot more on all of the breaking news happening up on capitol hill. but there s also breaking news in california s wildfire disaster. i q
impeachment inquiry, though it s not clear bolton will agree to appear without a subpoena. source of sources also tell cnn that bill taylor is willing to return to capitol hill to testify in public, a particularly monumental moment in the house democrats intensifying impeachment inquiry. taylor s testimony last week behind closed doors sent shock waves through the capital, where he completely undercut the administration s defense that there was no quid pro quo with ukraine. meantime, two new witnesses testifying on capitol hill today. christopher anderson, aid to former special envoy to ukraine, kurt volcker, speaking to lawmakers behind closed doors, about the concerns voiced by bolton over rudy giuliani s shadow ukraine operation. anderson, according to his opening statement obtained by cnn, saying bolton cautioned mr. giuliani was a key voice with the president on ukraine, which could be an obstacle to
sara, what are you learning from your sources on the latest testimony? well, that s right, wolf. obviously, we know that the transcript of the call, when the white house released it, or the rough transcript was a bombsh l bombshell. but the latest testimony coming out shows that there were explosive developments happening behind the scene at the white house in the weeks leading up to it. reporter: weeks ahead of president trump s controversial july 25th phone call with the ukrainian president that sparked the impeachment inquiry, the riff over ukraine spilled out in a series of dramatic white house meetings. on july 10th, ukraine s secretary of national security and defense counsel traveled to washington to meet with then national security adviser john bolton, then special envoy to ukraine, kurt volcker, ambassador to the eu, gordon sond u.s. career national security officials who were experts on russia, fiona hill and alexander vindman was also there. perry tweeted a picture of th