job of dirtying, muddying up themselves. yeah. i was going to say, going after one another is probably the best thing for the democrats. they sit back and watch it. matt, let me read for you more from nbc s reporting on biden s thinking. biden adviser argued the election is too far away to gauge the impact of a trump indictment and also the white house is monitoring potential protests that might arise from an indictment. privately, white house officials voiced relief that calls for protest have largely fizzled out. it sound like for the biden administration it is national security challenge more than anything. but is there also a risk while the protests have not materialized, there is still concern that people out there will hear the president s call when an indictment, if an indictment does happen and could take action into their own hands as we have seen in the past with lone wolves? well, i have an expectation that that s going to happen and the president today in his social med
the time. and just recently trump doubled down and after everything trump has said to your point, matthew dowd, why in the world would pence be in effect protecting trump by refusing to testify? why is he beholden to this guy still? well, i think that s a soul wrenching question that i would like to ask mike pence directly. maybe in a confessional or something with what s going on with this. i mean, i think mike pence like so many other republicans believes, knows one thing in his heart that donald trump has been and has been and is dangerous to our democracy and destructive to democracy. i firmly believe mike pence believes that. i also think he has this other thing which is this inste gas station and enabling of the craziest part of the republican primary. he is afraid of. he is deathly afraid of the
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the grand jury and us the american people what he knows. loet me turn to jack smith s other investigation. the former president s attorneys expected to testify before the grand jury as soon as, i guess tomorrow in the mar-a-lago documents case. what do you make of that? why is that significant? you know, it s hugely consequential. we don t often have criminal defense attorneys testify about the clients crimes except when the crime fraud exception applies which causes the attorney-client privilege to evaporate. i think the most interesting thing now moving forward is whether evan cork rinne will plead the fife nl amendment, will envoek his own fifth amendment right against self-incrimination because he believes he was kplooet complicit in donald trump s crimes or if he believes that he was an unwitting dupe, donald trump was giving him false information and he was simply
here. one, there is the ethical, legal issue. you don t want the president the president is not supposed to be weighing in on issues before the courts. and, two, there s a political piece here where, look, it is intro politics 101. it s when your enemies are destroying themselves, i don t get in the way of them destroying themselves. i think the white house and the president, you know, they are one taking the high road on this as president. not trying to look like they re interfering in a criminal investigation which republicans would love. then they could paint this all as politics which is what they want. and then, too, look, you know, whether it is donald trump or even desantis, they re having a he really bad six, seven eight days, two-week stretch right now. the president is foolish to get in the way of that and take some of that incoming when they are right now doing a pretty good