this is about accountability. we can t keep chasing every drama that surrounds trump. so, she says literally that was just a couple minutes apart. we didn t separate it by very much. when it comes to biden, we have to figure out something. there has to be something wrong as far as hunter biden. when it comes to trump s family, whoa. come on now. don t get crazy. you know. charles, this is they re so terrified of him. why are they running against him then? oh, you know, i think a different position. i m not sure they re running against him. some don t have a shot at all, running for speaking engagements but other seem to be running to be in trump s cabinet. that s the only way it makes sense to me. if you want to be part of the next trump administration, you run by not criticizing the person who you actually think is going to win. i think that they think if he does not if he is not imprisoned, not convicted and imprisoned, he ll be the president. and they believe that they will
joining me now is msnbc legal analyst andrew weissmann, former fbi counsel and former senior member of the mueller quaid and professor at the university of michigan law school and msnbc legal analyst barbara mcquaid. ladies first on this one. let s talk about the import of the tape. trump is trying to say it was just bravado. that means i m a liar, which is a weird excuse. but the thing about the tape is that it does suggest that maybe he actually just was lying, right? it s possible he was just waving around fake things, but is that a defense? if he s a liar, can t the prosecutors just use that in court? yeah. i think there are two reasons that this episode is important around why it s included in the indictment. if you look at the language of the indictment, it says trump showed the document to the people in the room. and they have the benefit of
them. one of them is the one one of two that actually have the courage to say trump s name, that s chris christie. and another one is the guy from florida who doesn t know how to pronounce his own name. take a look. i don t understand the other candidates who won t mention his name. like, say his name, man. say his name. do you believe that trump violated the peaceful transfer of power a key principle of american democracy that we must uphold. i wasn t anywhere near washington that day. i have nothing to do with what happened that day. obviously i didn t enjoy seeing, you know, what happened. but we ve got to go forward on this stuff. matthew, he won t even use teenager looked more presidential than desantis, whatever. you know, it s the ill logic of this, whatever there s 11 candidates running against him and chris christie is the only one making a forthright argument, asa hutchinson to a degree baa lot subtler.
indictments. hoping that he doesn t go to trial and get convicted. hoping that he does not wind up in prison. hoping that he gets back into the presidency in time to actually squash the federal investigation into him and hoping that his endorsement of kevin mccarthy after the third vote, took 15 votes to get mccarthy to this spot, will ensure that mccarthy will be so beholden to him that there will be no way he will be impeached again. this is what trump is doing. he tied mccarthy s hands. he s right, though. isn t he right? can you imagine kevin mccarthy s life is terrible now, has to answer to marjorie taylor greene and people of that caliber. trump were president again in some horrible universe, he would be even worse off. inherent in the idea of running against somebody in a primary is saying that they shouldn t be president, right? so you have all these people running, with trump in the primary, which inherent in that is saying he shouldn t be the president, i should be. let me
democracies. according to the new york times, mccarthy also called trump on tuesday to apologize. so, let s just pause for a moment. i mean, can you imagine sam ray burn, the longest serving house speaker apologizing to harry truman for bruising his ego as the u.s. transitioned from war to peace? i mean, can you imagine outspoken speaker tip o neal graveling to jimmy carter for marching out of step with the party? or just try to picture nancy patricia pelosi, graveling before barack obama or bill clinton for insufficient party line praise? i mean, of course you can t because that would never happen. these weren t fearful devotees. legendary house speakers who i might add never gutted their own pourer and dignity just to get the job. which brings us back to kevin. politico is reporting that none of his recent moves, the backtrack, the apology, have assuaged the fury in trump s inner circle, mccarthy they feel, has taken advantage of the