be met. no government ever really wants to look at tackling the - be met. no government ever really wants to look at tackling the scale l wants to look at tackling the scale in any grand sense. do you think it is time for that? in any grand sense. do you think it is time for that? absolutely not. we have done a is time for that? absolutely not. we have done a lot is time for that? absolutely not. we have done a lot of is time for that? absolutely not. we have done a lot of work is time for that? absolutely not. we have done a lot of work with - is time for that? absolutely not. we have done a lot of work with the - have done a lot of work with the public about their satisfaction with the nhs and we are seeing the public at low levels of satisfaction with services, particularly because they are finding it hard to access services but once they get in there they find good quality services. what is interesting is we also then say do still believe in the principles of? is this a mo
were worried that it would ever get to them in the first place, and now they re even more i worried about where that - funding is going to come from. and on the point ijust - want to ask you, you mentioned the nhs, but you will know, correct me if i m wrong, - but a lot of people are saying, | actually, the route to tackling j the nhs, and particularly- the hospitals and ambulances issue, is to clear people into the care sector, - and that s got massive - staffing shortages as well, huge funding issues. massive. energy crisis, huge impact on local authorities - as well as private care homes. the king s fund put out a number which was i think they said about 400,000 people in the care sector would be better paid if they worked in the supermarket. and that gives you just an idea of how desperate a situation it is in. this is really low paid work, it s really hard to get people into these jobs. i see jobs being advertised for care workers for £11.61 an hour. i mean, you can t get a babys
wrong, but a lot of people are saying, actually, the route to tackling the nhs, and particularly the hospitals and ambulances issue, is to clear people into the care sector, and that s got massive staffing shortages as well, huge funding issues. massive. energy crisis, huge impact on local authorities as well as private care homes. the king s fund put out a number which was i think they said about 400,000 people in the care sector would be better paid if they worked in the supermarket. and that gives you just an idea of how desperate a situation it is in. this is really low paid work, it s really hard to get people into these jobs. i see jobs being advertised for care workers for £11.61 an hour. i mean, you can t get a babysitter for that in london these days. i mean, really, it s desperate. and this is a hard job, a really hard job. so, yeah, we re not paying what it needs to support the social care system, and without some kind of fundamental reassessment of that situation, i don t
productivity. that was the health secreta , productivity. that was the health secretary, therese productivity. that was the health secretary, therese coffey. - productivity. that was the health secretary, therese coffey. i m i secretary, therese coffey. i m joined by sally warren. director of policy at the king s fund they re a think tank specialising in health care policy. really strong ambitions about health and care, really strong ambitions about health and care, i really strong ambitions about health and care, i think all of patients would and care, i think all of patients would welcome that. we want to see better would welcome that. we want to see better ambulance response times, but when you better ambulance response times, but when you get to the detail of what she has when you get to the detail of what she has announced it really doesn t stand up she has announced it really doesn t stand up to she has announced it really doesn t stand up to the scale of the chal