productivity. that was the health secreta , productivity. that was the health secretary, therese productivity. that was the health secretary, therese coffey. - productivity. that was the health secretary, therese coffey. i m i secretary, therese coffey. i m joined by sally warren. director of policy at the king s fund they re a think tank specialising in health care policy. really strong ambitions about health and care, really strong ambitions about health and care, i really strong ambitions about health and care, i think all of patients would and care, i think all of patients would welcome that. we want to see better would welcome that. we want to see better ambulance response times, but when you better ambulance response times, but when you get to the detail of what she has when you get to the detail of what she has announced it really doesn t stand up she has announced it really doesn t stand up to she has announced it really doesn t stand up to the scale of the chal