absolutely. i am not going to share a stage with her while she does nothing but skew these crazy conspiracy theories. the gop primary debate made national news because you made a spectacle out of. it and i have no intention of making a world of the same kind of spectacle. i want to have a substantial conversation with the voters of the issues they are facing at the solutions we are offering in the comprehensive plans that we put together to address these issues on day one. and that is why i am going around and talking to voters who are there, oh you their communities. what does it look like to? you do it into debate to discussions with voters who have been susceptible to the big lie? and when you do at that point when somebody says, yeah, i think there are problems with the 2020 election in arizona. you are the secretary of state, you oversaw. that you have all of the receipts from it. how does that conversation go? well, i ve been having this kind of conversation since the
2020 election. usually it s by hecklers interrupting me to try to get their point across. it is really hard to reason with people who are refusing to listen to the truth but i m going to keep telling. it and if folks want to see the light and come over that is great. they re being misled by these leaders, and these leaders who are using their possessions to continue to view these conspiracy theories and lies. just to gain power in the next election. kenny hobbs, good to have you here. katie hobbs is a secretary of state for arizona. she is the states democratic nominee. that does it for me, thanks for watching. you can catch me next saturday and sunday morning here from eight to 10 am eastern. don t forget it s available as a podcast. you can listen to the entire show on the go. subscribe in the sun for free anywhere you get your podcasts. the sunday show with jonathan kaye part, begins right now.
towards russia? i hope that we, are but i worry that there is still a lot of caution, not just in the u.s. but in europe. we want the ukrainians to do well, but we are worried about what happens if they win. and i hope that we can overcome that soon, because as i said it is only when the ukrainians are perceived to win, not just in ukraine but in russia, the real pressure to end the war will begin. and, applebaum good to see. you and applebaum is a staff writer at the, atlantic a senior fellow at the johns hopkins school of advanced international studies. still ahead on, velshi with election deniers on the ballot for powerful positions in 27 states this fall it is clear that democracy is at stake in this year s midterms. and no state is more critical than arizona getting hobbs arizona secretary of state and the democratic nominee for governor joins me to discuss it. plus the longest serving member of the united states senate patrick of vermont joins the show. a lot has changed since
senate race. their republican candidate vocal election denier blake masters cannot seem to stop sharing his disdain of racial diversity. first it was a tasteless joke on twitter where he sarcastically connected the economies shortcomings to the record number of female black and gay officials contributing to the central banks infrastructure decisions. then masters feud what caused a version of the great replacement theory where he alleges the democrats are trying to encourage immigration so their party can try to dilute the powers of native born voters. now look at arizona s way for secretary of state. a crucial role overseeing elections in that state. the republican secretary of state candidate mark finchem was present at the capitol on january 6th. as an active member of the oath keepers and an organizer of stop the steal. he would like to strap early voting entirely and believes the state legislature will be able to veto voters picks for presidents. he is called for the arrest of