well, i hope not. gep, i don t know how he knows these people. well, i don t know. i haven t spoken to rudy. i spoke to him yesterday briefly. he s a very good attorney and he has been my attorney, yeah, sure. did you capture that? the president appeared to distance himself a little bit from rudy giuliani. the new york times reported federal investigators are trying to figure out whether giuliani violated lobbying las. the times cites two people involved with the investigation and that inquiry is reportedly being conducted by the same u.s. attorney s office that giuliani led before becoming mayor of new york city, and as one of my next guests puts it, the man i worked for in 1993 is not the man who now lies for donald trump. what happened to rg jg tudy giu? a question a lot of people are wondering. and ken friedman press secretary foregiuliani during the 1993
fact that i don t think most people know is where people used to ask rudy to help them on a campaign after he left office. he would not do anything negative against anyone s opponent. speak very fondly of someone who was running who he supported but wouldn t go negative because he didn t want it to kind of hurt the brand for a while. it did change. for me i saw it change when he went after hillary clinton on the medical issue and started telling people that they should research it. like i said, rudy s a great lead fantastic mayor, never went to medical cool. how did he get to a point where he might face possible legal implications? at least if you believe the times s recording? hard to figure how he got here except ken touched on it. the need to be relevant. wanting to be relevant. doing work, sucked into it, a lot of money involve ared. maybe also after a certain amount of time with donald trump thinking that the rules don t apply to him like they apply to
mayoral campaign and susan dell pressio. a storied background when it comes to the former mayor, america s mayor. ken, start with you. you say america s mayor is trump s bumbling personal lawyer and henchman, appall jifrt and defender of the indefensible. what happened to the man you knew? i don t know. he went off the rails. i think he has a desperate need to remain relevant and rich frankly, and unfortunately pigs get slaughtered and that s happening now. you lay down with dogs and you wake up with fleas. harsh words to talk about the man you knew. you knew giuliani in 1993 worked with him, he officiated your wedding some 25 years ago. yes. and at what point do you think it kind of all changed? well, i think that he he when he defended the
outstanding job as acting secretary. do we have any sense who he ll be replaced by? not at the moment. increasingly over the last year or so people more closely allied with the president sort of politically have made in-roads within dhs, two very senior official there s, ken kooch nellie and mark margin allied themselves with the president not just in terms of politics, also in terms of rhetoric. mcaleenan, remember, took a law school class from then, from future president barack obama. he d supported democrats in the past, and people in the white house and the president s allies viewed him as smk omething of a interloper, someone who didn t share think ideology in the way immigration needed to work armgts more hard-line person? likely. certainly an appetite within the white house for someone who would be more fro, cut from the same cloth as ken kuccinelli. thank you.
from that office. all right. leave it there, if you don t mind. susan and ken, thank you. the details on this. and update on the breaking news out of new hampshire right now. we told you about it. the shooting at the church pelhamm. no fatalities. two injured when the suspect opened fire at a wedding ceremony, but nobody was killed. the shooter is in custody. police are not releasing details on the gunman at this time. the history-making mayor and the conservative south. montgomery, alabama has a new black mayor. this is a really big deal. the mayor will join me next to explain. you re watching msnbc. chin.