wrong. but i don t see a problem with believing somebody that you care about. now, van said he wanted to hear from jussie. we did hear from jussie had the his legal team put out a statement last night main taping his innocence. his family put it up on social media. he s still saying 100% that he did not to do this. he s doubling, tripling, quadrupling down. i don t know what s going to happen with this. all i know is that jussie smollett s team has decided we re going to go through with this. i mean, he went to his cast last night and tearfully, our reporting says, that he tearfully asked them, you know, said you know this isn t me. you know, you know this is not who i am. i did not to do this. so he is still saying i didn t do it, i think he s going to, you know, let the public make up their mind. everyone s right. there s a whole lot of evidence that suggests that he did. now we have to see the legal situation play out. i m still kind of gob smacked by the whole thing. everybody is
feel them, van. i think i m concerned about where we re headed. right. as a country. because we have a president who doesn t care about facts, who doesn t care about, you know, data, as long as he s basically making his point, as long as he s basically sticking up for his side, he s good the there s a danger that begins to affect the entire society and everybody starts having no standards, no whatever, it s all about what about ism and your side sucks. and we can t actually say sometimes my team is right, i think my team is right 99% of the time but the 1% time we re wrong, done. that doesn t mean i m for the maga crowd. but i m also not going to be i m not going to let our movements for justice become tools for people who are up to no good. and i m not going to let us become a pulpit for ways of thinking when we re not sound when we re trying to make society work fore everybody. i m just saying jussie was
not on our team. he was a weeking. maybe. i ve had different conversations and i never publicly talked about i neefr tweeted out. jussie hasn t been an activist for two or three years. but his actions are not representative of what s happening on the left. i think that s an individual an individual understand that cystic problem to take ownership of that and then say oh, the maga crowd maybe bad but look at what jussie smollett did. i m not saying that s a false equivalency. i m not saying you re making that but isn t this the problem that this whole thing has become political when it started as, you know, a hate crime? it quickly became political and now we re talking about the right and the left. and i just think we should be talking about the right and the wrong. i think that s right. but i do have a question. i hear this a lot from my progressive friends, this that when you try to have a nuance conversation you re accused of false equivalence immediately. i m sayi
talked about it. so we can t now say it s not a story when it turns out it aps it s almost certainly to be a hoax. so you have to eat the whole hamburger when stuff like this happens and i think everybody needs to take a step back. what i want to say about where we are now is, yes, i said yesterday let s not just ride this pendulum back and forth and back and forth. there seems to be overwhelming evidence that what jussie said is not true. the police have made their case. we still have not heard publicly yet from jussie smollett. i want to hear from him. i want to us move forward, but i do think that is a story. it s not like liberals and progressives said it s not that big a deal, everybody be quiet, we don t want any attention on that. we said it s a story. i think if it s a story on one side, it s got to be a story on the other. i can say really quickly because it sounds like you re comparing the plight of maga people to black people. that s not what i said at all. you said th