knowing that the special counsel would be looking for them because they are relevant to the core of what he s looking at, any relationship between the trump campaign and the russian government. dana: what would be the strategy behind telling the new york times that this is what you were going to be saying in testimony? i don t know. if they did not quote mark carolo dana: they did not. i can t imagine mark going himself to the new york times. perhaps he told a friend or lawyer or somebody who went to the new york times. bob mueller tkuszn t want that. you don t want your witnesses blabbing to any entity what you re about to tell a grand jury. mark is extremely experienced at this. dana: i knew him when i worked at the justice department. he was a spokes person for john ash croft. i was a junior bird man under him. i can t imagine you were ever a junior bird man. dana: july 8, not the 18th. i apologize. they re gonna have to make me