of appellate process in moving forward with a judge in saying, you know, here we were, your honor. we went and abided by your instructions with privacy, with jurors, et cetera, et cetera and yet we came up with a jury that was deadlocked. thanks so much for your time with us today. jury consultant. also joining us, julie zasmer following the story for the washington post. julie, so close by. i know the washington post is covering everything since freddie gray s death. can i ask you about the atmospherics in baltimore? how deep is the concern that a hung jury and a mistrial leads to some more unrest? well, it is a mistrial. it is not a not guilty verdict. we don t know. there are a lot of elected leaders, judge leaders who have pledged no matter what the verdict would turn out to be to be on the streets of baltimore today talking to the community, trying to reassure people and