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this is what these people believe in. joyce, it seems to me that as witnesses of, against and about themselves, they are very clear. they don t make any bones about their ideology. they don t make any bones about their allegiance to the former president. the difficult issue here, and i think you re right to say it may not be untangled in the criminal justice system, is not just what their motivation is, but also whether or not the former president holds some shear of responsibility for their conduct. not in the obvious sense. because we can all look at this ongoing course of conduct and trump s failure to moderate his rhetoric overtime, after he knew time and time again people were motivated to violence by his words. but whether there will ever be any legal comes ability is still the open question here. ility is
the fbi caught these guys. caught them in advance of what they were plotting to do. that just feels lucky, joyce. i have to say. it just feels like great work. fantastic that they did that. but it s hard to believe that these were the only two and that democratic building in sacramento is the only building that anybody like this might be targeting. the fbi has a really tough job here playing defense. and i ve been involved in this work for many years. you have to make the arrests, in this case, before they re actually able to blow up the democratic headquarters in sacramento. and then you ve got to go back out there the next day and start worrying about the next guys that are coming at you with bombs and guns. it s a tough job. it s encouraging that the fbi caught these two. there seems to have been newly enhanced recognition at the bureau and in u.s. attorney
democratic party headquarters. how many trump supporters want to kill for donald trump. we don t know. we just know, according to their own words, on january 6th and the evidence in this california case, that the number of trump supporters who want to kill for donald trump is not zero. joining us now, joyce vance. former u.s. attorney. professor at the university of alabama school of law. she s an msnbc legal contributor. joyce, thank you very much for joining us tonight. i have to say, reading these legal filings today, was like reading about what the filings would have been, it feels like, is to timothy mcvay they have been caught in advance. timothy i think that s exacte feeling that you get here. this is a big arsenal that these two had amassed.
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