even when your life hangs in the balance. joining us, natalia, a ukrainian journalist, public interest journalism lab. you wrote about the donbas region for the atlantic and said the donbas, which has already paid the heaviest price of the past eight years of conflict, has yet more pain to come. people also forget this war began in 2014 and there s been a lot of fighting in donbas. when you look at images of bucha and the devastation forces wrought there, do people in the east have to prepare for the same? hi. so indeed it s something to be prepared, but probably even different. it s more about the mariupol scenario when the cities are just destroyed with artillery shelling. and that s, in fact, something which is already happening. the ukrainian president zelenskyy, more or less, announced the battle of the donbas started a week ago. russia has been preparing this
ukrainian journalist and ceo and co-founder of the public interest journalism lab. nahhaltha, it s good to see you again. how are ukrainians looking at this news from russia that it claims to be pulling back some of its troops? it really gives a bit of hope. however, trust is not yet there, because nato also said that it s not really the sign of de-escalation. there were very hard last days after such a precision prediction that things might happen and really up to the air strike in kyiv, as close as tomorrow. so that, given a bit of calmness, because ukrainians are taking the situation way more seriously. in particularly, not because of just announcement, but because it s said that the russian troops are ready to attack. so they have the capability at the moment. we know it s not yet the decision.
word that the prime ministers from poland, the czech republic and slovenia are traveling to kyiv today to meet with president zelenskyy, which, of course, is remarkable. this is remarkable statement of solidarity under great personal risk that you would be hard pressed to find an example of in history. it s akin to world leaders going to london during the blitz. joining us now is independent journalist and founder of public interest journalism lab, natalia is with us. natalia, i know earlier today you were in kharkiv, which of course has come under such heavy shelling here, even compared to other cities in ukraine. first, though, tell us you re on your way to kyiv. we now understand there s a curfew even throughout the day for the next two days. what are you expecting? so, first of all, yes, i m coming from kharkiv, this town where unfortunately there are less journalists with the reason it s the second biggest town in ukraine. the students had to go. to me, somebody from kyiv was
but, this is all familiar propaganda territory. this is the go-to story that russian propaganda has told about their armies, and crimes, for nearly a decade now. there s always a journalist, and foreign member of ukraine parliament, a cofounder of the public journalism lab, and a journalist, and sociologist. she was living, and working, in keith. having since evacuated to germany, and they both join me now. i know you both worked on this exact issue for a while. let me start with you. it does seem like this counter narrative, really, ramped up today. president zelenskyy started to talk about it today, directly, that the kind of russian propaganda had roared to life. what do you make of that? well, unfortunately, russian propaganda is super efficient, and was efficient during the last 20 years. now, we see that the russian people, the russian population, and putin support, is the best evidence.
for a section. natasha, thank you for joining us this morning. natalia gabon, ukrainian journalist and public interest journalism lab, ceo and cofounder. we appreciate your time. today, hungarians are casting their votes in a high stakes election. if pro putin prime minister it could have high reaching effects in this war in ukraine. we will go live to budapest, after the. ve been everywhere, man. crossed the desert s bare, man. i ve breathed the mountain air, man. of travel i ve had my share, man. i ve been everywhere. i ve been to: pittsburgh, parkersburg, gravelbourg, colorado, ellensburg, cedar city, dodge city, what a pity. i ve been everywhere, man. i ve been everywhere, man. i ve been everywhere. to help prevent bleeding gums, try saying hello gumwash with parodontax active gum health.