shoes, to think that the president of the united states, my boss, as it were, but also the most powerful man on earth, is personally attacking me, as i try to do really a citizen s duty, show up before the u.s. congress, speak the truth, that has got to have some intimidating effect. and broaden this out a step, josh. this isn t about just these people who are being called to testify, this is about all of the federal employees, the officials, the aides who are watching this play out and also still tasked with carrying out the president s foreign policy agenda. i mean, what is the impact there? this president is leaving a path of devastation through the federal workforce. that s in part the ukraine story. him taking foreign policy out of the normal channels, out of the hands of professionals and experts, and instead using it, abusing it for his own purposes. but now even as there is an inquiry into all of that, he s doing the same thing again. he is diminishing, demeaning,
this would be a shock if it actually happened, kate. let s not forget that president trump repeatedly talked about sitting for an interview with robert mueller during the russia investigation. it s something that he said he was looking forward to doing before ultimately showing that it was just bluster and declining to do so, kate. i was going to say, ask robert mueller how well that worked out. reporter: right. great to see you, boris. thank you very much joining me right now for much more, josh getter, he s a former top counterterrorism official who served on president obama s national security council and briefly on president trump s. thanks for coming in, josh. you ve worked inside a white house. what do you say to the fact that the vice president s office, when it comes to jennifer williams and the withering criticism she is facing from inside the white house, from the vice president, the fact that the vice president s office, they re not coming to her defense. and at leas
insulting those who are public servants who sha s who are tryi their duty in not just testifying before congress, but for those of their careers, just going about their jobs as state department or intelligence community or law enforcement officials. and there will be so much rebuilding of moral and of bureaucracy and of culture to do in the wake of this. yeah, and you wrote about this last week. this is not normal, not normal behavior by public servants. not normal disagreements within policy making process. not normal at all. it was a really good read. thanks for coming in. always appreciate getting your expertise on this. thanks, josh. thank you, kate. coming up for us, we are now in the second week, of course, of the house s public impeachment hearings of president trump. and also, let s say, number, i have lost count, of the defenses of the president coming from house republicans. where they now land and what that means. that s next. s a company that s d to even more real peo
edition of the lead: the white house in crisis. new allegations today of a third possible cover-up incontrol offing the whistle-blower who sounded the alarm about president trump s push to have joe biden s son investigated. and an reserved for national security secrets and we all know about the second alleged cover-up the administration tried to prevent to see to begin with, we aren t talking about a alleged third cover-up, the justice department not referring the matter to the federal election commission as a campaign finance violation. joining me now is josh getter, a co-author of the new york times piece and a former adviser on national security matters to president obama and briefly to president trump. josh, thanks for joining us.