insulting those who are public servants who sha s who are tryi their duty in not just testifying before congress, but for those of their careers, just going about their jobs as state department or intelligence community or law enforcement officials. and there will be so much rebuilding of moral and of bureaucracy and of culture to do in the wake of this. >> yeah, and you wrote about this last week. this is not normal, not normal behavior by public servants. not normal disagreements within policy making process. not normal at all. it was a really good read. thanks for coming in. always appreciate getting your expertise on this. thanks, josh. >> thank you, kate. coming up for us, we are now in the second week, of course, of the house's public impeachment hearings of president trump. and also, let's say, number, i have lost count, of the defenses of the president coming from house republicans. where they now land and what that means. that's next. s a company that's d to even more real people than me: jd power. 448,134 to be exact. they answered 410 questions in 8 categories