should be making up their mind. i agree with you about whether the president should be impeached or not. listen to the testimony. but don t you think it may be partisan because of the beliefs and throwing out these debunked conspiracy theories, trying to out the whistle-blower? doesn t that make it more partisan at least, that takes it into a completely different realm than it should be. i m not suggesting there isn t blame to go around. right. what i m saying is whether or not i think the facts are going to be agreed upon, and the debate is going to be is it impeachable. james madison said you don t get rid of a president for maladministration. is it impeachable? that s what the congress has to decide. my problem is i think they ve already decided. jon sale, always appreciate having you on. thank you, sir. thanks, don. we ll be right back. billions of mouths.
theories that they keep relying on instead of listen, no one should be making up their mind. i agree with you about whether the president should be impeached or not. listen to the testimony. but don t you think it may be partisan because of the beliefs and throwing out these debunked conspiracy theories, trying to out the whistle-blower? doesn t that make it more partisan at least, that takes it into a completely different realm than it should be. oh, i m not suggesting there isn t blame to go around. right. what i m saying is whether or not i think the facts are going to be agreed upon, and the debate is going to be is it impeachable. james madison said you don t get rid of a president for maladministration. is it impeachable? that s what the congress has to decide. my problem is i think they ve already decided. jon sale, always appreciate having you on. and your perspective. thank you, sir. thanks, don. we ll be right back.
testimony from four key witnesses today, three of them were on that infamous july 25th call, and it all may have raised the stakes for impeachment. let s discuss with jon sale. he was watergate assistant special prosecutor, also a former personal attorney for rudy giuliani, represented giuliani early in the impeachment inquiry. and we appreciate you coming on. thank you, sir. thank you so much. thanks for having me. when we last talked, we hadn t heard from any witnesses. seven people have now testified publicly, so give me your assessment of how the hearings are going. what do you think? well, first let me join in what your other guests said about condemning the attacks on loyal, patriotic americans who have served our country. so i just wanted to get that out there. i think it s poor judgment that the republicans did that. i think the hearings have gone pretty much as expected. it reminded me watching them it really reminded me of watching a tennis or ping pong game going bac
that is their strategy. you don t think that s a good strategy. well, i don t know if it s a legitimate strategy. in watergate, we litigated and got to the supreme court in less than three months. the courts all recognize this has to be expedited and i m just suggesting the result is inevitable. and if we don t want to get the best evidence, if we want to get a pre-determined result so you think it s better to go through the process even if it takes it much closer to the election, just go through the process and go through the court system? well, it s unprecedented to, in a first term, to have an impeachment hearing. so it is getting close to an election, and that leads to the argument should the people decide. what s impeachable conduct here is hard to get your arms around. jon, can i ask you something? we only have a short time. i don t mean to be rude but we only have a short time. sure. i m sorry. let me ask you a question. so you were talking about the partisan part
he was a watergate assistant special prosecutor and is also a former personal attorney for rudy giuliani who represented him early in the impeachment inquiry. jon, so good to have you on. thank you so much. listen, i want to be totally transparent here because you are limited as to what you can say about your former client, rudy giuliani. so what can you tell us about representing him? well, what i can tell you is he s an old friend, and he asked me to represent him in connection with the congressional subpoena. i was happy to do that. i did it to the best of my ability. i completed my task, and that s the end of it. and because of ethical considerations and privilege, i really can t say anything beyond that. okay. so no falling out or nothing. you just feel like you completed your task. oh, no.