You can find more information about both of those verifications on our website and you tube channel but one irony our guest identifies in his new book is that britain was once the envy of the world when it came to handling epidemics Contact Tracing was pioneered against cholera in londons soho area and so what can we learn from past pandemics how they transform the world professor Frank Snowdon author of epidemics and society from the black death to the present joins me now via skype from rome in this early frank welcome to going underground before we get to the book which i think is being read by more and more people than maybe you even expected tell me about how you contract it coded in rome and why youve dedicated your life way before coronavirus to the study of pandemics and epidemics yes one devoted so many years to pandemic diseases because it seems to me there were. Or for way for understanding how societies function are put together their values the relationships between people
Same saying we have this white mans burden to take care of everybody else and it is its not really about white and black is it you dont have to be white to be racist you dont have to be black to be a victim of racism the europeans were being conducted programs against the jews before they ever saw a black person the british were conducting programs against the irish thats all they ever had a friend african caribbean and indians you know to be racist against therefore they had ill you citizens to be racist against which has been our most recent target and of course you know the arabs in between because were waging war over the middle east so for me this is somewhat of a diversion im happy to see the back of the statues but if it just is a question of looking at statues and taking them away whilst doing nothing about the roots this is limit is it why does it change exert georget exactly half of diversion is needed a bill thats now. Oh i see it all ok that i offered to address social ineq
A dangerous terrorist she joins me by skype from oakland in california thank you so much professor davis coming on going underground can i just ask you right at the beginning theres a lot of quoting of the great writer James Baldwin at the moment he actually wrote an open letter to you what did he mean when he said our bodies must render impossible the corridor to the gas chamber. Well of course James Baldwin was. Not only with a scent writer but also he was involved in a whole range of social justice issues and he took up my case wrote an open letter to me and. Argue that if they did not protect my life the same would be next if they come for you and the morning he said every do not prevent them from taking you we will be next so that is actually. That is actually very seem of the mass movements have developed against racism against the signage and any against climate injustice etc of course the words reverberate starkly today because of the use of the word gas chamber in the state of
Protests spread against indias controversial citizenship law that excludes muslims the un calls it discriminatory. Unlawful killings torture and Sexual Violence police in chile a accused of serious abuses against antigovernment protesters. And on people stamped with all the sports tiger woods and these u. S. Team fights back at golds president s cup but the internationals still hold a healthy lead. Hello there a very warm welcome to the program we begin our coverage in algeria where abdul majid tbone has been declared the winner of the countrys president ial election preliminary results show that he won 68 percent of the vote the less than 40 percent of voters turned out with millions boy causing it and calling it a sham thousands of protesters are out on the streets rejecting those results they say that the election wasnt free or fair because all 5 president ial candidates have links to former president abilities beautifully nicholas cage has the story. It was an election the majority
Objectives they would be they would be trying actually to do that but its not going to be easy for them now and thank you so much for that analysis and as mom was speaking were looking at live pictures coming in from a now this is one of the critical areas along that border is one of the years of course that turkey has seemed to be able to control and try to impose that zone that it wants to be posed to be able to return refugees to the area you can see smoke in the there are indications of fighting that is under way at the moment now as weve just been discussing real concern over the potential for a direct conflict between Syrian Government forces and turkish Government Forces as well and russia absolutely critical to that in its ability to keep the sides apart and be also able to negotiate that deal at the moment between the Syrian Government and the Kurdish Forces giving control of man bridge to syria those pictures there. Where regime detention of. Fighting underway at the mine wel