Special counsel interest in kushner. The post meantime details how that need for capitol may have been exploited. Shane harris joins us now. Can you talk about what countries they were and what they were hoping to use to manipulate him . The four countries that were identified are israel, china, mexico and the United Arab Emirates and what they found was these officials were discussing among themselves that Jared Kushner might be vulnerable on his lack of experience in government and Foreign Policy seeing him as someone they could persuade. And also his business arrangements which are complex and involve foreign as well. And the depth they incurred in the kushner companies. Looking for International Investors trying to shore up the debt. Discussing he might be leverageable. They paid a huge amount, they refinanced that. That money coming due and even in the transition, kushner was meeting with potential investors. Meetings with a russian banker. There is discrepancy. It was no secret o
regulations under which bob museumer w mueller was interest poed, there s a check and balance. the view is there s not enough checks and balances. here they res lot of accountability, and that s the deputy attorney general. rod rosenstein can step it under the regulations and say you re not going to go there. i m the one who is the deputy attorney general says this is a red line. so the very fact by the way that the indictment against the russians was announced by rod rosenstein, i think, is very powerful symbolically. it is reminding the country that he is the head of the justice department purpose is in charge. do you believe it s a witch hunt? no. you believe it s a legitimate investigation? bob mueller is a professional, and i have great confidence in his integrity. john ken starr, i appreciate it. thanks for being with us. a great deal ahead. the president s son-in-law,
investigators about contacts with russians. 13 alleging tampering by russians in the campaign to help candidate trump and/or just cause chaos. the deputy attorney general rosenstein went after his way after that one to strongly suggest that these would not be the last indictments. and some of the language does as well. to pick up on the president s notion, there have been a lot of real witches or allegedly real ones already and perhaps more to come. we re pleased that judge starr is with us as well as jeffrey toobin. what you ve seen is i ve seen no evidence of collusion. right. because the investigation is ongoing, even if there is, you would not have seen any evidence. we don t know. we do not know what bob mueller knows. what we have seen thus far suggests to me an absence. in fact, i think that the indictment that you mention, anderson, of the 13 russians and the three russian companies is actually at this stage, at this stage, a contraindication because this was a huge
jeff tubin, i want you to weigh in on what the judge is saying. i certainly agree that not everything is an obstruction of justice. but the idea that the president has the absolute power to fire the director of the fbi for any reason, for no reason, for a corrupt reason, if, for example, someone deposited a suitcase full of cash on the oval office desk and said, please fire the fbi director because i don t want to be prosecuted, and then he fired the fbi director, would that be permissible too, judge? absolutely not. now, that is corruption, and that s the key. that is the key word that everyone is bantying around. it is corrupt. it is a corrupt effort to interfere with the obstruction of justice. and so exactly. i ve been saying that all along. if there s any evidence of a payment or some sort of conspiracy with, let s say, russians, we don t like this investigation, and we re going to enter into this business deal i m speaking
branches of government. if the president wants to be n incompete incompetent people on his staff, that is his prerogative. and use his business entanglements to his advantage. it says more about the president and his judgments than anything else. i don t believe that mr. kushner should go anywhere near classified information. congressman swalwell, thanks. much more ahead including conversation with the former independent counsel. we will talk to ken starr next. , and get four unlimited lines for only thirty-five bucks each. woah. plus, netflix for the whole family. on us. prrrrrrr. so, they get their shows.