>> jeff tubin, i want you to weigh in on what the judge is saying. >> i certainly agree that not everything is an obstruction of justice. but the idea that the president has the absolute power to fire the director of the fbi for any reason, for no reason, for a corrupt reason, if, for example, someone deposited a suitcase full of cash on the oval office desk and said, please fire the fbi director because i don't want to be prosecuted, and then he fired the fbi director, would that be permissible too, judge? >> absolutely not. now, that is corruption, and that's the key. that is the key word that everyone is bantying around. it is corrupt. it is a corrupt effort to interfere with the obstruction of justice. and so exactly. i've been saying that all along. if there's any evidence of a payment or some sort of conspiracy with, let's say, russians, we don't like this investigation, and we're going to enter into this business deal -- i'm speaking