he s someone who was initially put in a leadership position by president bush and serve ed president obama. then at the behest of secretary pompeo. you make a great point. i m just saying given the theater of this, if you saw john bolton testifying in public and being at odds with the trump administration on the underlying facts here, i think it would be very hard to cross examine him in terms of distance from the underlying circumstance. yeah. and there are four words that will hang over mick mulvaney. under penalty of perjury. if he testified, he would tell a different story than in public. and a circular logic to the republicans argument here. you only have secondhand information. we ll get some first hand information next week by sondland. but the first is being blocked from the white house. mulvaney is being blocked from testifying. bolton is being blocked from testifying.