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rick perry is someone who has been back and forth to ukraine, i think, three times now that he s visited. in another interview he s saying, no, i didn t bring up the bidens during this sit-down with the ukranian president, and today in a statement, his spokesperson is confirming that, saying that in all the conversations he s had with these ukranian officials, including the president, they say hunter biden and joe biden have never come up during any of those conversations. of course, the question will be whether or not the ukranians were well aware that this is something the president wanted them to look at while they were having these discussions with rick perry. and the question going forward will be, are house democrats going to try to sit down with the energy secretary, someone who has really managed to avoid the president s ire for some time now that he s been in this cabinet position? the question now will be whether or not the president continues to try to use him as a scap derk
it appears the state is cooperating. and now this is expanded of the department of defense. state and defense have their own igs and set of laws they feel they need to comply with. the white house has less control with those agencies and departments on constraining a restricting on who testifies. so far it looks like state is, we ll see whether or not the department of defense also decides to provide these documents and whether or not they ll send anyone to testify if so required. . do wi know who s paying rudy giuliani? he s talking about affidavits. he s a private citizens, he had no access to classify information on a recent interview with cnn and going after the biden s family. he was holding in his hand a right wing conspiracy blog. do we know who s paying for his travel and services?
and i talked to the president about this and i had a conversation phone call with rudy giuliani about it. i talked to the previous ambassador. i talked to the current ambassador and kurt volker and gordon sondland and every name you see in the media. not once as god is my witness was a biden s name, not the f m formfor former vice president of the united states ever mentioned. after i saw this interview, i called the former administration official, what do you make of this? this is president trump s play book. anyone who gets so close to hichl. look at the graveyard. oh, ask michael cohen? oh, you can t, he s in jail. this is what happens when you get close to the president. john herbs, director of the atlantic council and formal u.s. ambassador to ukraine. help us make sense of this.
rick perry denying that he mentions the biden which is essential to this conversation. perry is going to resign next month. how does that affect this narrative? well, my understanding is rick perry understands the importance of ukraine to american interests. and until this story today, i never heard perry connected with the president and investigation into former vice president biden. i am not sure what to make of it. this seems to be a new wrinkle and a larger issue and we don t have much information right now regarding this new wrinkle. put the bidens aside for a moment. there is also this reporting from the associate press where they write a circle of businessmen and republican donors touting connections to rudy giuliani and trump while