damage, but after that, you didn t see those kinds of standoffs on the normal budgetary process until the shutdown in 2014. do you think something like that applies here? i don t know about that but the reason i thought that is because he wants he thinks he s protecting his members. the last thing he thinks they want right now is to go through another shutdown. he was finally prepared to take on the president. senator barbara boxer and jim manly, thank you very much. how the president s tax cuts managed to only help the rich. why americans are being shocked by their tax refunds after this.
end up being screwed here, what do you think? it s a horror show and he s going to lose on that if he doesn t have an ounce of compassion. because, again, remember when the media, all of the media put a human face on the shutdown and we saw the suffering of the families? imagine when you take it to, say, a janitorial service or a cafeteria workers struggling to make ends meet and now they re in big trouble. i want to point out that when kevin mccarthy said, oh, after this is over, the president is going to grab money, grab money from other places to build the rest of the wall, i m sure that jim will agree with me, that is not going to go down well in congress on both sides of the aisle. he could take money from battling wildfires in states all across the country. i heard one congressman say there s funding for an academy, he s got his eyes on that,
located along the border. they ve filed for a restraining order to keep the dhfs off its property. that story will be part of our big show here in texas tomorrow night. our correspondents have traveled the length nearly two thousand mile border in mexico, we ll be live in new mexico. live at the border right here at 8:00 p.m. eastern tomorrow night. joining me now to talk about the shutdown deal, is barbara boxer, and jim manly, former chief spokesperson for harry reed when he served as senate majority leader. what terms does this set, what s happened with the shutdown and now this deal being struck in the president signs it for what the next year and a half of divided governance looks like? if this is an example then
negotiate. he doesn t want to come to the table and fix what he broke, what he, you know, ended up doing to d.r.e.a.m.ers. he needs to fix it and republicans need to come around, and democrats need to keep the line. you know, jim, it seems to me that this all hinges basically on two things. one, the president, and two, what s called the hasert rule. the idea that you don t bring votes to a vote if you don t have a majority of the majority, and it s sort of applied in both houses now, the house and senate. there s bipartisan majorities for both of these things now. you can pass the d.r.e.a.m. act tonight. the president could fly to mar-a-lago and go to his party tomorrow if he wanted to, but it s really a question of whether the white house would direct them to do that. it doesn t seem there s enough wherewithal in the white house to know what they want. well, i mean, you yourself said it best just a couple minutes ago. thank you, jim. in the previous segment. no one knows what
trump committed to him he wouldn t back an immigration bill unless he and senator tom cotton backed it. if that s true, good luck on making any kind of deal at all. joining me now, jim manly, former chief spokesman for senate mujoerd leader harry rooet, and erica, daca recipient, leading to fight to get the d.r.e.a.m. act passed. jim, let me start with you. what do you make of cotton s role or the idea that cotton and meadows would have a veto on any of this? you know, it s just another symbol of the degradation of the political prosin this country. it s one thing for mark meadows to run around blowing things up in the house because, you know, that s the house. but for this kind of thought process to start moving over into the senate is very, very dangerous. but having said that, you know, senator cotton can think of these ideas all he wants, but the fact of the matter is they re widely unpopular and under the current rules of the senate, you know, nothing he