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the relationship i have with john fisher is beyond just a professional one. we re also friends. we keep each other straight. i give him a hard time every chance i get. and if i ve gone more than a day or two without giving him a hard time, i come up with a reason. john can work them out, too. yeah, this place very health conscience. they re of similar stature, we say. a bright light behind them and looking at the silhouette, you wouldn t though them apart. jerry, you re the director of this program. what is it, the group of you do? well, the department of correction, internal affairs division, is the police entity for the prison system in the state of tennessee. i have a total of ten commissioned agents that work for the department including myself. we conduct administrative and criminal investigations
it ain t just no certain one. you put some iron in a guy. welcome back to larry king live. jason, are gangs just unavoidable in prison? i think so. i mean they re part of society now, unfortunately. they re a large part of the criminal element of society. so when you bring that criminal element of society or part of it into a prison environment, it s only natural to let that carry over. jerry, what if i don t want to be in a gang. i want to live a clean life and get out? you you may not have that choice. if you choose to stand alone, you stand against many time the entire inmate population. either one gang or another. and rather than do that, then most inmates will usually choose to associate them self with one gang or another.
a sticker or a bleeder. if someone was really going to use it for business, they would have something to hold it to their hand so that it doesn t come loose in the knife like that. i can t be alone in thinking that as long as we ve had prisons that you would look at a bookshelf, jerry, and say this bookshelf won t use, i has metal pipes on the back and someone will take it and make a shank. you have to teach yourself to be aware at all time of anything that an inmate might use to make a weapon from. while we have actually found firearms inside the facilities, inmates have the ingenuity to actually manufacture they re own type of firearm. as you re aware, most firearms only need a shell, something to actually hit the firing pin and some type of barrel to point the projectile. so these are pieces to a gun? exactly. an inmate would simply place
so, you just can t place the blame on the correction officer or the dirty staff member. yeah, we ve got those. but a lot of it comes through majority comes through the visitation. if i m a family member, jerry, and i try to smuggle in a cell phone and i get caught, what s the penalty for me? you will be prosecuted. for what? for attempting to to sm smuggle contraband into an institution. i could end up in prison? absolutely. what kind of sentence do you get for that? what s my risk? well, there s a lot of factors, if you ve ever had a charge before or conviction, you can go anywhere from one to three years. if you never have been convicted of a felon before, you may just get parole or probation. crime in prison. our remaining moments with our guests right after this.
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