his former partner bayrock. embroiled in a lot of problems. all right. well, good conversation. thank you barbara mcquaid and professor jed sugarman. stick around, everyone. breaking news on michigan s democratic congressman john conyers retiring today. saying he will not seek re-election. that s coming up next. there s much more ahead today. here s what we ll be watching. at 12:30, president trump will have lunch with senate republicans at the white house. 7:30 tonight, steve bannon is going to campaign with roy moore in alabama. more on that race coming up. at 8:00 tonight, colin kaepernick will receive the sports illustrated muhammad ali legacy award. kaepernick is also on the short list for time s person of the year. we ll find out who gets that honor tomorrow on nbc s today show. tweet us. #velshiruhle. who do you think is getting time person of the year? spoiler alert, i think it s ali. i think it s not.
wednesday confirmed to reporters that the kremlin had received the e-mail, but he said he did not respond to it and that his office did not get involved in such matters. joining us now, the co-author of that new york times article, investigative reporter matt arpuso. also with us, jed sugarman, professor of law at fordham, university. matt, your article about michael cohn touched a lot of bases including his very direct attempt to make contact with vladimir putin through a spokesman. right. and what we know because michael cohn has turned over a lot of e-mails to congress what we know is that there was obviously a great outreach by people around donald trump in an effort in 2015 to try to build a trump tower moscow. and as that deal fizzled, michael cohn sort of in this last-ditch effort sent an e-mail to the general mailbox of the
which that once you ve been pardoned. congress can haul you in front of an open session and demand you testify publicly because you don t have the right to the fifth amendment protections anymore. so i mean that s interesting in the theoretical. but right now where the rubber meets the road, this is a very live federal investigation with a lot of real consequences hanging over everyone. jed sugarman, to that fifth amendment protections point, it s a bit complicated, isn t it, when we consider the possibility of state charges because if paul manafort, say, was pardoned by president trump and then he was pulled into these congressional committees to testify and he and he tried to invoke the fifth amendment, he might make the claim that the fifth amendment he s invoking is in protection of himself against state charges, not the federal charges that the president has pardoned him for.
the theoretical. but right now where the rubber meets the road, this is a very live federal investigation with a lot of real consequences hanging over everyone. jed sugarman, to that fifth amendment protections point, it s a bit complicated, isn t it, when we consider the possibility of state charges because if paul manafort, say, was pardoned by president trump and then he was pulled into these congressional committees to testify and he and he tried to invoke the fifth amendment, he might make the claim that the fifth amendment he s invoking is in protection of himself against state charges, not the federal charges that the president has pardoned him for. that s correct. i think there was a misimpression from the point that was just made before because they could still invoke the fifth amendment precisely because they could still face state prosecution. so the question is not whether by accepting a pardon they can no longer invoke the fifth amendment. it s the other pressure, th
of several russians who are present at a june 9th, 2016 meeting with donald trump jr., jared kushner, paul manafort at trump tower. and the new york times is reporting that president trump s longtime lawyer, michael cohn, sent an e-mail to a spokesman for the russian president, vladimir putin. that spokesman, mr. peskoff, on wednesday confirmed to reporters that the kremlin had received the e-mail, but he said he did not respond to it and that his office did not get involved in such matters. joining us now, the co-author of that new york times article, investigative reporter matt arpuso. also with us, jed sugarman, professor of law at fordham, university. matt, your article about michael cohn touched a lot of bases including his very direct attempt to make contact with vladimir putin through a spokesman. right. and what we know because michael cohn has turned over a lot of e-mails to congress what we