you ve had the time to look, as we all tap our fingers on the desk and tap our toes, you had the ability to study the transcripts. we talked about cassidy hutchinson. reading the transcripts, are they pointing you towards giving you greater clarity what you look for when the final report comes in and are there things in the transcripts that were potential veins or lines of reporting? scenes you want to mine, that you have story ideas and your reporting is going to lead you towards in the days to come? yeah, absolutely. one thing i ve been very interested in from the start is the false electors scheme. we saw some evidence come out from the transcripts yesterday through the questioning, because through subpoenas, the investigators had obtained text messages and emails and they would read some of these to the noncooperative witnesses
we saw in the documents we have, the transcripts have flushed that out. talk about the go to the implications of whether that is beyond kind of a superficially damning whether there is greater meaning or future consequences that can be deduced from some of the ways on which people pled the fifth and topics they pled the fifth. it s important to understand that the assertion of the fifth amendment is a constitutional right. as a lawyer, and as somebody who was at the department of justice, i just don t engage in the idea that if you assert your constitutional right that there s something wrong with that, it s your right to do that. and it puts the department, though, in an interesting position. what i think they re going to do with those transcripts is, one, they re going to look at the questions that were asked. because those can be quite revealing. and they can see whether
transcripts of interviews from the committee s investigation. that started coming out of the committee last night and has been trickling out over the course of time since then. the most recent release, two interviews with cassidy hutchinson, we knew her recollection was an enormous help to investigators but what we didn t know is her first lawyer tried to influence her testimony. in her first meeting she said he provided this advice, quote, the less you remember, the better. and that s just scratching the surface of what we learned. some lawyers may call that sub boarding perjury. we ll ask about that in a minute. earlier the committee released 30 other interview transcripts. the theme of those transcripts, one, i plead the fifth, two i don t recall. those are the headlines in the
witnesses, surprise witness this summer, did an incredible amount of damage in some ways to donald trump, an unexpected witness, surprise witness, credible. told stories largely corroborated to this point. what did we learn about her today from reading her transcripts? so in the waiting for this report we have gotten almost 40 transcripts released both yesterday and some more today. and i understand there s more coming probably before we re even done on the show. but the cassidy hutchinson was the standout witness of the january 6th committee. and we did get additional information from these transcripts today that she didn t testify to publically yet. one of them was just exactly who was pressuring her in her words to be less than truthful with the committee. she mentioned how her previous lawyer had told her to protect donald trump, protect the president, and to protect other people.
information that they ve put together as the definitive narrative of that period of time in american history a because they want to make sure that it goes on the record so that something like this doesn t happen again. ryan, i apologize for interrupting you there briefly. there was something in my ear that was telling me something had just happened, and i thought, oh, my god, they ve just dropped it. i heard the committee has dropped and i went, wait, what? it turns out they have dropped five new transcripts in the time you ve been talking. yes, i see it now. there it is. that s that little belch of mine, wasn t literally a belch, so we got some more transcripts. when we find out the identities of them, maybe someone in the control room can tell me who they are. i can tell you, chris krebs, stephen ayers, mark esper, ken cla cow ski, and sarah matthews who s of course one of the other staffers from inside the west wing in the oval office during that period of time. so klukows