good to be with you, i m katy tur in for the second hour of chris jansing reports. the jury has the e. jean carroll defamation case. how much will they find donald trump owes carroll for continuing to attack her, and continue to go deny what a court of law has already established that he sexually assaulted her. msnbc legal analyst, lisa rubin just stepped out of the courtroom for the first time today to let us know what it was like inside. so, lisa, tell us. reporter: i listened to both sides closing arguments and then the rebuttal of e. jean carroll s lawyers this morning, and then i listened to judge lou kaplan instruct the jury on the law as well as the legal process and the rules that they are required to follow as they deliberate. i think one of the things that was most interesting this morning is the emergence of big themes that are much bigger than e. jean carroll and donald trump alone. what you heard from e. jean carol s lawyers is this isn t a case just about d
clear a charging decision could happen in the next few weeks. victor, erica? all right, paula. thank you. we ll get more perspective on what this could mean not only for the investigation but the former president s legal troubles. joining us now, dave aaronberg of palm beach, florida. let s start first with the oval office meeting, which as paula points out, we know a lot about it from the january 6th meetings from the house. how significant is this? how significant could it be for the overall investigation? good morning, erica. i think it s very important. what you had was a group of individuals called team crazy who came to the white house unannounced, sidney powell, rudy giuliani, patrickb burnes, and you had michael flynn and they were intercepted by what s called team normal.