good to be with you, i m katy tur in for the second hour of chris jansing reports. the jury has the e. jean carroll defamation case. how much will they find donald trump owes carroll for continuing to attack her, and continue to go deny what a court of law has already established that he sexually assaulted her. msnbc legal analyst, lisa rubin just stepped out of the courtroom for the first time today to let us know what it was like inside. so, lisa, tell us. reporter: i listened to both sides closing arguments and then the rebuttal of e. jean carroll s lawyers this morning, and then i listened to judge lou kaplan instruct the jury on the law as well as the legal process and the rules that they are required to follow as they deliberate. i think one of the things that was most interesting this morning is the emergence of big themes that are much bigger than e. jean carroll and donald trump alone. what you heard from e. jean carol s lawyers is this isn t a case just about d