if they ran on repeal we don t know exactly we don t know exactly what happened in that conversation. it shouldn t matter. okay. go ahead scott. go ahead, scott. there is no scenario under which the republicans in congress and donald trump rise and fall separately. they will rise together or fall together. they had to be locked together on an agenda. trump and mcconnell had been aligned on the trump-mcconnell-ryan agenda, whatever you want to call it the last six months. this first attempt did not work out. it does not mean a tax reform would not work out. if the republicans fail to keep their promises, they will all fall together. it won t happen separately. if donald trump is upset with washington, wait until we don t have one or both houses in congress. a lot easier then, scott. to scott s point, regardless of who is to blame, going forward, they need each other.
from the perception standpoint, it certainly raises eyebrows. but, you know, i think it would mean something entirely different if the person actually had information to provide. why? why, why, why, why? he took the meeting because he was told she had information. it shouldn t matter. on his part, isn t it the intent? whether or not she delivers is a totally different issue than if he went there thinking he was going to get dirt from a russian lawyer? i ll absolutely take him at his word that that is the reason why he sat down with that lawyer. i m just saying it s a completely different narrative if that person actually had information to provide and that person was being sent there by the russian government. so, the perception is being taken the additional conclusions and assumptions are being made that this is somehow proving that the russian government colluded with the trump campaign and is missing some important links.
point two, look, he and trump are oil and water. they were never going i m not sure it had to go the way it went, but i don t think they would have ever gotten along. so this is a reflection of this. it shouldn t matter. you re exactly right, it shouldn t matter. but i was surprised that he, particularly in the beginning, that was essentially his opening statement that we played, in the beginning of his testimony, he went there. as we say, he went in. he did not this was not a, like, he punched him. that was my question, though, are you surprised he went in? as i was sitting there watching it, i m like, wow, he s going in here. look, i see this really differently. i spent a lot of time in trump territory, red counties, trying to understand the trump voters. what trump said he was going to do was to come to this town, and he was going to put this town on its knees. he was going to tell this town what it was going to do. he was going to drain the swamp. the big story here
so i actually it shouldn t matter. you re exactly right, gloria. it shouldn t matter. but i was surprised that he, particularly in the beginning that was essentially his opening statement that we played. in the beginning of his testimony, he went there. as we say, he went in. he did not this was not a, like he punched him. that was my question. are you surprised that he went in because as i was sitting there watching it, i was like, wow, he s going in here. look, i see this really differently. i spent a lot of time in trump territory, red counties trying to understand the trump voters. what trump said he was going to do was to come to this town, and he was going to put this town on its knees. he was going to tell this town what it was going to do. he was going to drain the swamp. the big story here is that trha completely lost control of this town and of the narrative, and the guy he thought he had swatted off the board is
that, they might come down. and now there s reports that this might be a permanent arrangement. we re getting conflicting reports. the trump camp says that s not the case. should it matter either way? judy kurtz, what are you hearing? there s no doubt that melania trump has been mia since the inaugural weekend. should it matter? we don t have to have the first lady that takes on the traditional role like hillary clinton or michelle obama. why should she be picking out napkins and china when she would be rather spending time with her 10-year-old son. neil: maybe we ve gotten so used to it that she s there as well that in this day and age, where a couple will have divided responsibilities, in this case a young child being schooled in new york, it shouldn t matter. we should all shut up. well, as we ve seen with the trump presidency, nothing about president trump is orthodox.