so the committee gets home did not at that potential legal violation as potentially a sign that donald trump committed criminal acts addition to just the pressure campaign itself. are you talking about what about pence and trump. it seems like the committee is laying the groundwork to explore the rift between donald trump and mike pence. how important is that to understanding what exactly happened on january six? when you think about, it pence is the clear gigs clearest example of somebody who is the ultimate trump loyalist. for the entirety of his four-year term. so the fact that the two of them had a falling out over what s became this crisis on january six, i mean, trump spent the last several weeks of his presidency pressuring mike pence to do something that pence viewed as a legal, and ultimately would ve caused a constitutional crisis even greater than the one we saw that say. so the fact that that relationship was able to splinter over this tells you just how egregious it wa
maintain with the former president, but maybe at least not run directly afoul of him. well, they say he has admitted he hasn t spoken to him since the summer. go on, preet. i don t know what kind of relationship he is trying to preserve. more than likely he is trying to preserve some kind of but i think under no circumstances will these folks be testifying if mike pence wasn t okay with it. and it seems like what the vice president is doing is trying to have his cake and eat it too. in other words he doesn t want to testify, appear before the committee and say bad things about donald trump s actions and statements. and this is a little bit of a halfway, meet him in the middle so his aides can be proxies for that. by the way the question gets asked what it pence doesn t testify. he should. maybe he ll be compelled to do so. it s not nothing. and it s not enough. the very, very close aids that have a lot of firsthand
with because we ve had two recent ones. first of all, it starts in the new york state assembly, which is essentially the equivalent of the house of representatives. that vote has to be by a majority. but if it happens, the governor loses his power temporarily. it goes right over to the lieutenant governor, kathy hochul, who made a very strong statement today, in contrast to the federal system of course when donald trump was impeached power did not go over to mike peps. t pence. when you get to the trial in the new york state senate it s the senate plus the seven judges on new york state s highest court, the court of appeals. that body then has to vote by 2/3 to convict and remove. so it s a similar process but there are important differences there. and of course they don t have the u.s. constitution which lays out high crimes and misdemeanors. it doesn t say that exactly in new york. it s more vague and i guess subjective to a sense in new york. so maggie, impeachment. you say octobe
he urged then vice president t pence who would preside over the certification to, quote, do the right thing by rejecting various states electoral votes and refusing to certify the election in favor of mr. biden. toward the end of the speech, president trump announced to hii supporters that, quote, we re going to walk down pennsylvania avenue to the capitol, and we re going to try and give our republicans the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country. urging the crowd to demand that congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated. wen he warned that, quote, you ll never take back our country with weakness. he declared, quote, we fight like hell, and if you don t fight like hell, you re not going to have a country anymore. shortly after the speech, a large crowd of president trump s supporters, including some armed with weapons and wearing full tactical gear marched to the capitol and violently broke intu the building to try
are going to strike the deal? is it pence and pelosi who strike the deal? the white house has to i think that is part of the problem. is it donald trump and the freedom caucus who eventually figure out what they want and what they can agree to? i don t bow. mcconnell and schumer did strike a deal. the house was ready to do it, trump said no. so trump has to decide when is the pressure high enough on him that he has to give? and he will have to give because there s no incentive, there s no one in the democratic party and privately there s very few people in the republican party and the senate who believe this idea of a wall is a good idea. i think most people think it s part of the solution. it s not in and of itself. this is what we hear frfrom donald trump and his supporters, most people, everyone. in the united states senate, there is very little support for building a wall. there is support for border security. there is a difference. it is a political game that s being p