insurrection findings. the outline out showing never before seen video showing they are expected to go into greater detail to explain how the big lie that the 2020 election was stolen led to the january 6th riot on capitol hill here s the rundown. the committee will reconvene about 24 hours from now at 10 am eastern, to talk about the origins of the big lie. then on wednesday, they will describe the turmoil within the justice department, for the weeks following the 2020 election. and on thursday, the panel spotlight donald trump s efforts to pressure mike pence to reject certain states electoral votes. among the witnesses who are expected to testimony testify at these hearings, the former acting attorney general who was put in charge of the justice department after bill barr left his post in the late december 2020. also expected to testify is greg jacobs, former vice president that pence s top lawyer, who advised him that he did not have the authority to reject the electora
so the committee gets home did not at that potential legal violation as potentially a sign that donald trump committed criminal acts addition to just the pressure campaign itself. are you talking about what about pence and trump. it seems like the committee is laying the groundwork to explore the rift between donald trump and mike pence. how important is that to understanding what exactly happened on january six? when you think about, it pence is the clear gigs clearest example of somebody who is the ultimate trump loyalist. for the entirety of his four-year term. so the fact that the two of them had a falling out over what s became this crisis on january six, i mean, trump spent the last several weeks of his presidency pressuring mike pence to do something that pence viewed as a legal, and ultimately would ve caused a constitutional crisis even greater than the one we saw that say. so the fact that that relationship was able to splinter over this tells you just how egregious it wa
all under pressure from the former president and his loyalists. and so, i do think you put all that together and it is a real reminder there are a number of senior-former officials who saw things, who are willing to speak. john, it is really fascinating because i mean, barr, in some of his public testimony in the past when he was the attorney general, he was anything but, you know, forthcoming, parsing words. um, you know, and do you think i mean, what version of barr do you think is actually has talked to the committee? i mean, he s certainly been opportunistic many times in his political career. i know he he has a book coming out in in march. what do you think he is which barr is it talking to the committee? well, look, anderson. the fact that bill barr had been somebody that was seen as the ultimate trump loyalist. somebody that did battle for him answer the mueller investigation, the russia investigation. the fact that bill barr really was the most popular figure
essentially, michael cohen tonight has made that 180-degree turn just about complete. the next question of the united states of america reporter: for 12 years michael cohen was the ultimate trump loyalist, once vowing he would take a bullet for his client. i would protect mr. trump. that s what it is. reporter: according to a friend, cohen said he would rather jump out of a building than turn on donald trump. the night trump may want to push cohen out that window. after the president s former lawyer turned on his old boss in court in august, he s now turning up the heat on him. the disloyalty is the stuff of shakespeare. reporter: a democrat with knowledge telling cnn s m.j. lee, cohen is prepared to campaign against trump and the republicans in the midterm elections and in 2020, calling out what he considers to be lies from trump. how much will it anger donald trump? donald trump when he is attacked has a way of attacking back or to diminish the person attacking him.
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