to believe me on it, that s fine. i think that s pretty risky in light of my track record over the last six months. does at least one of them involve ami? yes. and that would be a previously undisclosed, not karen mcdougal, correct? correct. you re talking about something that is very significant that is embedded in the wider news you made in the clip we just showed, if at least one of them involves ami, you re saying this company, which is under significant scrutiny in the cohen case, by the feds in new york, was also doing something else allegedly on behalf of donald trump? yes. could that then raise their exposure for campaign finance violations, or other misleading of the authorities about what they were doing with that money? yes. and i think it will do the same for michael cohen. let me tell you what i find most interesting, ari, it s late now on the east coast. we haven t got a single denial from michael cohen, lanny davis
that s the overriding issue. i think michael cohen was one of those people. one of the things that trump is notorious for is not paying people. what he tells the people that he does not pay is that just use my name. tell people you did work for me. that s the value. you re alleging that he tells people to say my name? say my name, say my name. say my name, say my name, say my name. that s right. well, you know, we re doing an awkward montage later in the show, but i wanted to have some you wanted to get it out there early. do some of it live. it s still a live show tonight. tara, thank you for bringing your experience and insights here. now i bring in michael avenatti, attorney for touchdown and a rumored iowa visitor. why are you going to iowa? it s not my first visit to iowa, ari, as you know. i grew up in the show me state of missouri. i m going to our neighbor to the north. i know people who grew up in missouri but aren t going to iowa.
that he s not strong. he s weak. it s odd to say this, but when he said that he would stand up for the president, i knew from talking with him for less than five minutes that he was sufficiently weak, that he would cave in with respect to any wrongdoing. meanwhile, trump s current lawyer is reversing his past praise of cohen. he doesn t have any incriminating evidence about the president or himself. the man is an honest, honorable lawyer. i expected something like this from cohen. he s been lying all week. or for he s been lying for years. there s nobody that i know that knows him that hasn t warned me that if his back is up against the wall, he ll lie like crazy. he s lied all his life. in a moment i m joined live by michael avenatti about all of this. first, how does this battle go down when all of it can involve the trump organization, the history of the apprentice? before that, i bring in tara
knew this, it wasn t news to you, how did you know that michael cohen had collusion related evidence? i m not at liberty to get into details of all my sources and how i know things, but a lot of my predictions have turned out to be spot on in this case. we ask you these questions because a lot of people do want to know how you know things. as you know, we have a concept under the law relating to attorney work product. sure. we re not at liberty to disclose a lot of that information, very similar to journalists. michael avenatti, always interesting, a lot of these threads running together here on this friday night. thank you for being on the beat. i also want to mention thank you for the time you spent with me because this sunday michael and liz plank are joining me for a beat podcast extra, additional conversations, including michael avenatti as a potential presidential candidate. download it at apple podcast. or whatever or wherever you
narratives which intertwine are bolstered by michael cohen s account if true. and so jennifer when david lays it out like that, it s chilling because the more benign earlier interpretations that were available were lower-level people did this, or everyone s an idiot, and they didn t really understand all the meetings they were going to. by the way, idiot defenses can work in the law. it s not a crime to be stupid and go to the wrong meeting. what david lays out when you put these pieces together, according to cohen s theory of the case. we always can report there will be denials, there will be other perspectives. but according to cohen s theory of the case, you re adding testimonial evidence that suggests, no, they weren t idiots. at a very high level they had a lot of information that they then acted on. and all the idiot behavior was in one direction. no one ever thought, oh, i met with the russians when they didn t. they kept saying they never met with the russians when they did