activist. so, what do we want from police? what is it that the community, when you talk to folks, what do they want? community, when you tal so, i want to baa second, joy. because i feel myself getting hot, if i m honest. and respectfully, to the other guests, i heard the word control quite a bit. and therein lies the problem. because if we are talking about the ways to properly control a black body, we are not actually identifying the fact that the problem is that you want to control the black body in the first place. this is not about safety. this is not about public safety. that s not about serving and protecting. we are talking about a traffic stop. so, the idea that there is a proper way to control a 150-pound person who is now dead is actually deeply offensive to me. the fact of the matter is, people want safety. people want us to invest our money in the things that really keep a safe. and i m sorry if we keep talking about training, millions, billions of dollars have been pou
alexander. the word disgrace was used by mr. wells, britney, i m going to come to you first. and the pastor said earlier that the fact that we have seen this unusually quick disclosure of this disgrace was not because the system worked. it was because the activists worked. you are an activist who was prominently involved in the michael brown case, but just sitting down and writing off the top of my head, tamir rice, castile brown, george floyd, i could go on and on, do a whole list. and the thing that a lot of them have in common is that the officers involved felt that if they did not comply with them the way they wanted, immediately, and become completely flaccid and obedient, they deserved to get beaten, they deserved to get shot, they deserved whatever they got. that isn t the way serial
they know upon whom they can do violence and do it accordingly. thank you, madam mayor. it s wonderful to be in your city, the great karen bass. thank you very much. i do want to bring in reverend earl fisher, senior pastor of a baptist church in memphis. i want to get your reaction to all of this, the rapid disclosure, the unusual quick disclosure, the unusual disclosure of the video and obviously, the violence done on the body of this young man, tyre nichols. first, joy, thank you for having me again. there s no way i could brace myself for what i heard. i was trying my best not to look at the video footage and couldn t. look at it in its entirety. all manner of emotions surrounding what i heard and even what you all have described. i think it s impossible for us to calculate the impact of this video and this moment, and the developments over the last
and that s what police are trained to do, to make the people society wants to be under control be under control. and to be under their physical control immediately or else. you having been in the job, do you see it that way? no, i don t follow that rolling stone piece to that script. i think that what law enforcement is intended to do, and it has evolved and it certainly has a long way to go, and let me add a caveat, before i was a police officer, i was a victim of civil rights violations. i was shot at police, i was charged with a crime i didn t commit and i had to fight and clear my name. i that could recognize when those things might have and respond appropriately, and i did. i think that using that as an example, we can evolve police to the next stage, to match up
you mean why did the officers have to be armed if they are doing traffic yeah. if there is a person who went five miles over the speed limit i mean, it feels like, if you have a hammer, everything is why are we using a violent somebody who is trained to shoot and kill, why does that person need to be the person involved in a traffic stop at all? involved in i will tell you . i live in new jersey. and we have some of the most restrictive gun laws in the nation. i think we could be the model for the rest of the nation. but people still arm themselves. and their identities are not known until the officer can run their license or look at their face or whatever the case may be. so, it could be someone in there who is going to harm that person in that car because maybe they just did something. by the way, part of my training was reviewing officers who were ambushed on motive equal stops, who were gunned down on motive