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the white house is obstructing congress by not handing over documents, not allowing key firsthand witnesses like mick mulvaney,like john bolton, like mike pompeo to testify. but the founders who we heard a lot about in your committee last week set up a third co-equal branch of government, the courts, to resolve differences like this, but you have not even tried to go to the courts to compel these witnesses to testify. which something as grave and momentous as impeachment, why not? well, first of all, we have gone to the courts, and some of those cases not on this issue. we have gone to the courts, starting with mcgahn and various other people. but not on ukraine and the impeachment inquiry. what we have found is that the courts take months and months. but we don t need to go to the courts. the article i power, which is congress power, is the sole power to try impeachments should not be and has never been dependent on the courts. the president and the executive
flat. all of the nonsense about hearsay evidence, there is considerable direct evidence and it ill behooves a president or his partisans to say you don t have enough direct evidence when the reason we don t have more direct evidence is the president has ordered everybody in the executive branch not to cooperate with congress in the impeachment inquiry, something unprecedented in american history and is a context of congress by itself. he s ordered everybody not to participate. the only testimony are from public spirited patriotic people in the cia, the pentagon, the white house itself who came forward and defied the president s orders and testified. so i m glad you brought that up. because we ve been hearing a lot from you and your fellow democrats about the fact that the white house is obstructing congress by not handing over documents, not allowing key firsthand witnesses like mick mulvaney and like john bolton and mike pompeo to testify. but the founders, who we heard a lot about
republican-controlled senate but the action is in the house where lawmakers on both sides of the aisle are preparing. yesterday democrats released a report outlining the historical arguments for impeachment and this week they re holding mock hearings to lay out their case tomorrow in a public trial. moderate democrats are expressing concerns about the scope of impeachment warning expanding the focus could make them vulnerable in home districts. up next i ll talk to the chairman of the house judiciary committee but right away we re going to talk to congressman mark meadows. thank you so much for coming in. appreciate it. you are from north carolina. engineer o you re from north carolina and one of the president s closest confidants in congress and in general and i want to talk about the substance of the impeachment inquiry, really focus on that. the president asked a leader of foreign country to investigate his political rival so one simple question to start, is that appropriate? well
would be the attorney general of the united states, if you deal with the appropriate people, then serge having those coordinations on investigations would be appropriate. the president s personal lawyer rudy giuliani traveled overseas this week. he went to ukraine. right. and he s saying very openly that s trying to prove unfounded allegations against the bidens. president trump said yesterday that he even he wants ju giuliani to go to congress and talk about what he found. are you comfortable with rudy giuliani testifying? listen, when we look at rudy giuliani and what has been said about what he s done and what he s not done, i don t know everything that rudy giuliani has done. if he is finding something that is inappropriate, should he bring that to congress? yes. i assume that adam schiff and jerry nadler would want to hear that. if it was inappropriate. because they ve been talking about how they have this blindfold on as it relates to president trump. which i don t agre