inappropriate, as you say, ambassador sondland only reportd investigations in the meeting, and you do not recall him being specific, even those others have in the boardroom. why did you think it was inappropriate? it was something of an eye roll moments where you have a meeting, you are trying to advance the substance of the bilateral relationship. we have the head of the security council. it was a disappointing meeting, because i do not think that the ukrainians got as much out in terms of their presentation as they could have. and then this comes up at the very end of the meeting, it is like, this is not what we should be talking about. but you said that you think it was appropriate to ask the ukrainians to do investigations of 2016 and burisma as long as burisma did not mean the biden thes, something that you should
is burisma in the 2016 election, no? yes, that s what i understand i understand. and on that july 10th phone call when ambassador sondland raise the investigations, he did that in response to a question from the ukrainians about the white house meeting, isn t that correct? can you repeat the question? i did not get that. you say that ambassador sondland was talking about meetings at that office. nu said that you thought there was an appropriate? yes. dinner to make that comment in response to a question from the ukrainian officials about when they could schedule the white house meeting? that i m not sure about. i remember the meeting essentially already being over and ambassador sondland bringing that up. in the july 2nd or 3rd meeting in toronto that you had with president zelensky, you also mention investigations to him, right? and again, you were referring to burisma
president zelensky. right, but it was before this that dr. hill had told you about to burisma and ambassador sondland in particular his desire for this parallel process to investigate burisma, right? yes. so you had that association when he received his email asking you about investigations, correct? not necessarily. no? no. why not? because among the discussions that i had with dr. hill were about ambassador sondland, i think she might ve coined it the gordon problem. and i decided to keep track of what ambassador sondland was doing. i did not necessarily always act on things gordon suggested he believed were important. so he wanted to get a meeting, i understood that the president wanted to do u.n. had agreed to
why did that not happen? sir, i cannot speak to that, but it would generally agree that ambassadors work for the secretary of state in the president. do you have, you don t have any idea, you work for them. you don t have any idea why he would characterize what the ambassador was doing as a drug deal? but not raining men? ambassadors don t work for the national security advisor. but john bolton is the national security advisor. i m just puzzled that everybody in the room is characterizing this as though gordon problem, or the drug deal, and the secretary of state does nothing. sir, i m sorry, was there a question? you don t have any insight? no, sir. you testified that you were troubled once you read the july 25th call, you testified that asking the president of the ukraine would work together with the attorney general to work on this, you can see that it has happen, this becomes explosive and our politics and in your new testimony, you
one of the few people that has spoken to giuliani, the regular channel, all of these other people have feelings and understandings about what giuliani was doing. did he ever tell you that united states aid or a meeting with the president of the united states would not occur for the ukrainians until they agreed to an investigation of burisma, the bidens or the 2016 election? everything i heard of giuliani was his opinion. excellent. so the ukrainians never told you that giuliani told them in order to get a meeting with the president, phone call, military, foreign aid from the united states that they would have to do these investigations? no. mr. morrison, you testified that you spoke to ambassadors to ambassador sondland, and he told you about a conversation he had with the president of president of the united states. on page 128 of his testimony, he