raised in the text? only those specific instances. do you believe that mr. giuliani was in for greater communication with yourself, secretary perry, and ambassador sondland? i don t know what he thought. okay. i think that s all i have mr. nunes. i have nothing more. with the gentlemen allow us to use our magic minutes to yield to one of our members who would like to go? the house rules do not permit that, mr. nunes. we yield back. we go to five minute member questions. i recommend myself for 5 minut 5 minutes. volker, i want to ask you about something in your opening statement with respect to the july 10th meeting, you testified participated in the july 10 meeting with security adviser bolden, and security defense counsel, as i remember the meeting was essentially over when ambassador sondland made a generic comment about investigations. i think all of us thought it was inappropriate.
he replied, excellent. how did you sway him? he says, not sure i did. i think potus really wants the deliverable. the deliverable was a public announcement that ukraine was going to conduct a public investigation into burisma and alleged interference by ukraine. is that correct? thank you, i understood the deliverable to be the statement that we have been talking about. on august 13th, you and ambassador sondland discussed an agreement with mr. guiliani. why did you address that with mr. guiliani? it came up with a meeting with mr. guiliani. mr. yermak asked me to connect him with mr. guiliani. i did, we had a meeting, they both called me afterwards. mr. guiliani said he thought they should make a statement about fighting corruption, we should also say specifically, burisma in 2016.
text message to giuliani, and i think it is on the screen now. and you said, mr. mayor, could we meet for coffee or lunch in the next week or so. i would like to update you on my conversations about ukraine. i think we have an opportunity to get what you need. did you say that? that is an accurate text text message. what did you mean? the contact with the people that are representing president zelensky and his team. later that day u.n. ambassador sondland met with ukraine officials at the white house. we heard from several witnesses then ambassador sondland told the ukraine that they need to to cooperate with the investigations to get the oval office meeting scheduled on the books. for these investigations are part of the official u.s. policy towards ukraine? u.s. policy towards ukraine was about fighting corruption.
ambassador bolden expressed his concerns and instructed dr. fiona hill, your supervisor, to also meet with the same white house lawyers to tell them what happened. colonel vindman, i agree there was no question that investor sondland was proposing a transaction to ukrainian officials, trading white house meetings for specific investigations. but the full awareness of the president s chief of staff, white house attorneys and his national security advisors. in my view, sir, that s appalling. i yield to the chairman. thank you gentlemen. i would just point out as where thawell that when the matter dos come, the white house through its counsel have the opportunity to make a submission to the judiciary committee. i now turn to dr. wentz trip. thank you mr. chairman. lieutenant colonel, thanks very much for being here as an army colonel who served a year in
himself or lied to this committee? i ve no reason to think that. no, sir. mr. morrison, lieutenant colonel vindman reported to you, is that correct? he did, sir. you have a legal background, he said that he listened to the phone call that you said you saw nothing that had occurred illegally, and he said that he believed that the president of the united states demanded to president zelensky that these investigations move forward. he was only telling us his opinion, do you believe in your opinion that the president of the united states demanded the president zelensky take these investigations? no, sir. to both of you, the ukraine is an aspirant to the e.u. ambassador sondland is the ambassador to the e.u. it is the and the ambassadors portfolio? yes. also because they e.u. sanctions on ukraine are incredibly