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what s so interesting, andrew weissmann, is the defamation exposure that fox news faces is from all sides. fox news also faces a case that the times has reported on from someone who ran disinformation, was going to work on a disinformation campaign for the biden administration, is now suing fox for defamation. $2.7 billion defamation lawsuit looms as large as the epps case does. and something i ve talked to jeremy peters about and nick and others that have covered fox is that what seems to be at the center of all of these optimistic lawsuits, i guess i ll put it in the sort of point of view of epps and others, is that the known falsity ruling by the judge in the dominion case. once it was clear fox knew they were broadcasting lies, they had a whole lot of legal exposure. how do you assess fox s legal
of a self-described trump voter insurrectionist. this same paper is weeping for ray epps because people have been mean to him online? it s almost like they re trying to cover something up. and that s what conspiracy theorists sound like. so, after enduing public attacks and death threats that stem from that, from tucker carlson, from that guy and fox s coverage, the times reports this, quote, lawyers representing mr. epps and his wife are proceeding with plans to sue fox news for defamation. joining our conversation, political and investigaive reporter who led and reported out an extensive three-part series last year on tucker carlson s rise at fox news. claire and andrew are with us as well. nick, take us through what your colleagues are reporting about the epps case. well, look, he is now of the people in the wake of dominion, this is ray epps, they have are
gone to fox, asked for a retraction and apology on air. did not get one. and only then proceeded to the lawsuit. look, i m sure that the dominion case is part of the background here. i think that the dominion case made a market for fox lawsuits and that people who felt they had been mistreated saw, look, we have been admitting there s a problem. we have the evidence from that discovery that was made public that showed that they knew what they were putting on the air was a lie. that s the key ingredient, as andrew was saying. if you know it s a lie and still write it or report it. all right. there s much more on this story. no one s going anywhere. we ll pull claire into donald trump s role about spreading lies about mr. epps when we come back. lies about mr. epps when we come back
he always counters everything. he gets the goods out there by couching it in someone said. or people are saying or you know, what about this. he never makes a definitive, declarative statement. which means for a public figure, it is next to impossible to hold him accountable. in terms of civil liability, or even criminal liability for inciting a riot. now, there s other things he did that may build a case and maybe his language could be added to that as relevant evidence in a cumulative sense, but he is not dumb about how he says really bad, evil things. andrew, claire said he s been taught. i think he just watched a lot of sopranos. tell me what that means for fox as discovery has allowed a whole
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